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Old 07-31-2020, 09:02 AM   #1726
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Cant disagree more. Tess Fowler is a prime example of what's wrong with comics. A low level creator who's never really done anything of note and wants to climb higher, thinks she is the person who should guard the gate for who does and doesn't work in the industry. The things she says about EVS and CG are FAR worse than anything they have said about her in return. It's always this way with these cretins. Fowler and her cronies are the terrible people.

Good on EVS and his friends for finding a way to support their families working on comics despite these monsters best efforts. It's obvious that it eats them alive every day as the mainstream comic industry dies around them while independent guys like EVS not only prosper but thrive. That's really the best revenge for how poorly they have been treated and lied about.
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Old 08-03-2020, 02:15 AM   #1727
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Re Johns and Bendis, I bet Johns has done a hundred things like that in his career, and this was just the first time that someone has caught him or recognized what he was up to.
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Old 08-03-2020, 03:32 AM   #1728
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Tess Fowler is on Twitter showing that EVS and his Comicsgate cronies (including Art Thibert) have mocked her for having cancer as an "act of God she deserves."

Good guys who just want to make good comics? Or absolute pieces of shit that too many people make excuses for?

Obviously the latter.
I've heard plenty of positive feedback about EVS's fan interactions over the years, and I still like his work. However, I just saw some of his recent Tweets, and I'm afraid that he's gone down the rabbit hole. The thinly-veiled toxicity of Comicsgate is something that should repulse one's conscience, and I'm disappointed that EVS doesn't see that. There is a *respectful* conversation to be had about the role of classic characters in the ever-evolving world of comics, but it obviously can't come from a stronghold of prejudice like that of Comicsgate.

And on an anecdotal note, one of the shops that I frequent actually gave me two EVS auto'ed books and an original sketch for free about a year ago. When I asked the owner why (although I was grateful), he said that customers had been reacting negatively to seeing EVS's work displayed due to his association with Comicsgate. Needless to say, I experienced many warring emotions at that moment.
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Old 08-04-2020, 11:32 PM   #1729
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From my "personal" interactions with him, Ethan Van Sciver didn't strike me as the best guy around. He--for many years, well before anything recent--has seemed to have a need to surround himself with sycophants to boost his ego and sic on people who who he doesn't like. From memory, before he associated himself with that comicsgate group, he used to have a group of Facebook friends that some called "the crew" that served that role. He may not sic his fans on people directly, but he would go to his group to vent about whatever person (usually just a no name fan), and next thing you know, the dogpiling starts. Regardless of whatever he may say, I believe he knows what he's doing when he does this and it's intentional. He probably feels powerful and validated when he has others fight for him and with him.

Van Sciver can be petty, spiteful, childish, mean, and unprofessional for a person who was in his position, but I don't believe he is a Nazi, racist, white supremacist, or anything of the sort. Granted, he's probably not going to be doing a ton of favors for people looking for diversity fiction, but the left leaning people kind of don't, either, from my point of view. They just think they do, or do things to get brownie points. From them you wind up with racebent characters, stupid characters, bad stories, ethnics who wear the clothes of white characters and eventually wind up as subordinates to the white characters, and other such nonsense. These creators don't often (or perhaps even ever) actually take the time to take a diverse character and do something truly substantial with them, like fashion independent worlds around them that are worth escaping into. That's too much effort, they mostly aren't capable, and they likely don't care enough about diversity like they say they do to invest enough in doing something like that.

I don't keep up with whatever drama is going on between these people, because it's so redundant and there's a ton of dishonesty involved because it's been so monetized. I'm sure these guys want the fight to go on and on because without it, most of them lose their relevancy, and thus whatever money they're collecting from it. That's ultimately more important to them than whether or not Marvel Comics makes stuff they like. Honestly, from what I saw, Diversity and Comics comes across as a pretty genuine guy who really did want things to improve (from his point of view) with Marvel. Van Sciver strikes me as an opportunist.
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Old 08-06-2020, 05:46 AM   #1730
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From my "personal" interactions with him, Ethan Van Sciver didn't strike me as the best guy around. He--for many years, well before anything recent--has seemed to have a need to surround himself with sycophants to boost his ego and sic on people who who he doesn't like. .

The last time that I read anything about him, he issued an apology for telling that particular fan to kill himself. Ethan admitted to having a "mean streak" and said that he was going to work on being more compassionate. I assumed that was the case until this recent controversy with Dynamite & Comicsgate. I didn't know until a couple of weeks ago that Ethan had gone all-in with Comicsgate, and now I'm disheartened.
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I'm much more disheartened by the infestation of sjw pariahs eating at the remnants of the comic industry like termites. Everybody is competing to be a victim and score points for taking someone else down. Maybe it's just the transparency of the internet, but its exhausting hearing from these scumbags constantly. It's like their politics, that I am not into at all, take priority over things like genuine talent and the ability to tell good stories. Mainstream comics have been terrible for almost a decade. After these idiots get done killing the industry, they can all wonder why they are still living on their friends couches. Such a shame.
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I'm much more disheartened by the infestation of sjw pariahs eating at the remnants of the comic industry like termites. Everybody is competing to be a victim and score points for taking someone else down. Maybe it's just the transparency of the internet, but its exhausting hearing from these scumbags constantly. It's like their politics, that I am not into at all, take priority over things like genuine talent and the ability to tell good stories. Mainstream comics have been terrible for almost a decade. After these idiots get done killing the industry, they can all wonder why they are still living on their friends couches. Such a shame.
This is where I just don't understand the fear of Comicsgate. The industry isn't dying, so I don't see any basis for the "Get woke, go broke" concern.

2012-2016 showed steady growth in sales. While '17 and '18 marked a slight decline compared to '16, they were still solid years. 2019 was record-setting, so I feel that it's safe to say that the industry is finding a way to cater to the wants of an ever-increasing, ever-diversifying fanbase:

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“Print comics sales had never before topped $1 billion in current dollars, and one has to go back to the boom of the early 1990s to find sales at or above that level when adjusted for inflation,” Miller said of the new estimate."
https://www.comichron.com/yearlycomi...ustrywide.html

So, as I previously stated, I can see the point of view that classic characters aren't getting the attention that they deserve in some instances, but the gloom-and-doom isn't something that needs to be entertained since the hard data contradicts it.
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Old 08-11-2020, 01:06 AM   #1733
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Asher Elbein on Twitter is saying DC is suffering huge losses. Bob Harras, Mark Doyle, Brian Cunningham, Andy Khouri allegedly gone; Jim Lee no longer publisher; DC Collectibles allegedly gone completely.

So far it's just rumors but shit, this is nothing small. WB is looking to save as much money as possible by excising as many people and projects as possible.

edit -- apparently multiple outlets are reporting huge layoffs at WB/DC.
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Asher Elbein on Twitter is saying DC is suffering huge losses. Bob Harras, Mark Doyle, Brian Cunningham, Andy Khouri allegedly gone; Jim Lee no longer publisher; DC Collectibles allegedly gone completely.

So far it's just rumors but shit, this is nothing small. WB is looking to save as much money as possible by excising as many people and projects as possible.

edit -- apparently multiple outlets are reporting huge layoffs at WB/DC.
Damn, how long was Harras there?

They had big overhead, and they weren't moving their products. I don't see how Marvel can escape this either.

DC and Marvel might have to merge. I've said for years that it would make good business sense. Now though it seems necessary.

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Asher Elbein on Twitter is saying DC is suffering huge losses. Bob Harras, Mark Doyle, Brian Cunningham, Andy Khouri allegedly gone; Jim Lee no longer publisher; DC Collectibles allegedly gone completely.

So far it's just rumors but shit, this is nothing small. WB is looking to save as much money as possible by excising as many people and projects as possible.

edit -- apparently multiple outlets are reporting huge layoffs at WB/DC.
It's nevitable that the comic industry is going to be impacted long-term by the COVID situation. I expect all of those gaudy sales numbers to dip a bit with the economy in the tank.

That being said, when the world starts to course-correct in the next year or two, I expect comic sales to rebound. The interest is still there and all of this stay-at-home time might just result in some new fans being made.
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A lot of the people in the biz whom I follow on Twitter seem to think this is legitimate. Ugh, I realize that there are far worse things happening due to the virus, but it still.sucks to hear that some legendary talents might be out of work.
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Many things won't come back. One reason is that consumers' habits are getting broken. People aren't going to the gym now or hanging out at Starbucks, and they won't magically start doing that again in a year. They're finding other things to do.

Also, people who work in industries that hard hit by this are going to work elsewhere. They won't magically drop their new jobs and go back to what they were doing before.
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Many things won't come back. One reason is that consumers' habits are getting broken. People aren't going to the gym now or hanging out at Starbucks, and they won't magically start doing that again in a year. They're finding other things to do.
Also, people who work in industries that hard hit by this are going to work elsewhere. They won't magically drop their new jobs and go back to what they were doing before.
Some of us can't wait to get back to the gym. Even though I have weights, a yoga mat/DVDs, a heavy bag, and resistance bands at home and I'm using them every day, it's still not the same. I can live without the beach, the movie theater, even football games, but it's painful to drive by my gym every day and know that it's not safe to go in.
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I don't believe the comics industry will rebound...or, it might, but it won't look like what people are used to seeing. So much it depended on people just doing things out of habit, and as has been mentioned, those habits are being broken.

The companies like DC and Marvel will probably start focusing more on bookstores and graphic novels than periodicals and comics shops. You're probably going to see more digital comics, less periodicals, and probably less comics shops. That's not going to jive with a lot of fans, so they'll probably just be out, but many of them were on the brink of leaving anyway, and only hung on out of habit and collecting, not necessarily out of greatly enjoying the stories.

You'll probably see more truly independent comic--like webcomics and crowdfunded comics--get bigger audiences, but I don't believe much of the DC and Marvel crowd will pay those the time of day, because of conditioning and being stuck in their ways. That said, you'll likely see more known names in the industry explore these avenues, and they may bring some of that traditional publishing audience with them.
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https://twitter.com/TomTaylorMade/st...037941761?s=19

I certainly feel compassion for those laid off in such perilous times, but I don't think this means DC is folding. Tom Taylor confirmed this as well.
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Some of us can't wait to get back to the gym. Even though I have weights, a yoga mat/DVDs, a heavy bag, and resistance bands at home and I'm using them every day, it's still not the same. I can live without the beach, the movie theater, even football games, but it's painful to drive by my gym every day and know that it's not safe to go in.
I would hate to own a gym, a movie theater, a restaurant, a coffee shop, a nail salon, a cruise line, an airline or any other number of businesses now. Yet as I look through the news I see "stories" about how Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are going to colonize Mars. People just don't grasp the seriousness and the magnitude of this.

The level of workforce participation has been very low since the Great Recession, because many people who lost their jobs then were too old to find new careers. That problem is occurring again, on a much larger scale. People who are too old to find work aren't defined as "unemployed" for very long because they don't receive unemployment benefits permanently, but they're certainly unemployed, aren't they?

You might want to get back to being a customer of Business A when this is over, but meanwhile that business can't afford to pay its rent, its suppliers its landlords or its employees. It's likely just going to have to SHUT DOWN, and the chances of its reopening are poor. Its owners, its employees, its suppliers and its landlords will have had to find something else to do. It's Humpty Dumpty, and it probably can't be put back together again, even if someone has the will to do that.

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The economy never fully recovered after the Great Recession, even after twelve years had passed. If you were out of work in 2007, you could probably go to an employment agency the next day and get a job. Not a great job, but you could probably get work.

Not only did a hell of a lot of jobs go away then, but a hell of a lot of employment agencies did too, and they never came back.

This will be worse.
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http://https://bleedingcool.com/comics/after-the-bloodbath-the-start-of-a-new-two-year-plan-for-dc-comics/

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Because we also hear about what is described as a Two-Year Plan for DC Comics which will see DC Comics move to mass-market production through Walmart, the licensing of titles with editors moving to brand managers/approval roles, alongside a move from DC to digital serialisation and original graphic novels. Content will still be provided to the direct market but it will no longer be the priority that it (still) is at DC Comics.

It is also notable that the Collected Editions department at DC has seen a considerable winnowing, almost as much as DC Direct. Print collections of currently serialised work take a lot less to produce that the remastering, archiving and retrieval of classic work in new and appealing formats.
This article is worth the read. A few bright spots, like the one about collected editions become easier to make, might put your mind at ease. However, I've also read series articles about the release slate going through a serious pruning, so it's anyone's guess about how GL will fit into those plans.
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Asher Elbein on Twitter is saying DC is suffering huge losses. Bob Harras, Mark Doyle, Brian Cunningham, Andy Khouri allegedly gone; Jim Lee no longer publisher; DC Collectibles allegedly gone completely.

So far it's just rumors but shit, this is nothing small. WB is looking to save as much money as possible by excising as many people and projects as possible.

edit -- apparently multiple outlets are reporting huge layoffs at WB/DC.
Yes to contextualize this WarnerMedia reportedly laid off between 600-800 employees as revenue was down ~22% in Q2 from last year. The impact of COVID + the fact that as of last year AT&T was ~150 billion in debt played a large role in the layoffs.

DC's Jim Lee on the Company's Future: "We Are Still in the Business of Publishing Comics"
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Jim Lee, the superstar artist from the 1990s who rose through the executive ranks of DC to reach the top rungs of the company, has had better weeks.

Monday, WarnerMedia enacted deep and painful companywide layoffs. DC, the home of heroes such as Batman and Wonder Woman, saw the scythe cut 20 percent of its staff, with many senior editors let go and a reorganization implemented that sent shockwaves through not just the company but through the comic and DC fan community.

“This week has been a really heavy difficult time not just for me, but for the entire organization,” Lee tells The Hollywood Reporter via a Zoom call. "We’ve said goodbye to people that have been huge contributors and who have helped define and make DC what it is today.”

As soon as the layoffs news hit Monday, the rumors soon began in earnest: AT&T, which acquired Time Warner in 2018 to form WarnerMedia, wants out of the comics business. Other rumors suggested DC will no longer put out comics and that Lee would be demoted from his role as publisher and chief creative officer.

THR brought these rumors (and more) to Lee, who outlined what he could with a reorganization that will take the next two or three months to play out and while the team is still putting on the finishing touches on Fandome, WarmerMedia’s blockbuster fan event set for Aug. 22.

“We are still in the business of publishing comics,” Lee adds, saying that there is no work being halted.

Yes, there will be more Batman — John Ridley, who won an Oscar for penning 12 Years a Slave, is writing a Batman mini-series (“It will have a huge impact on the rest of the line,” Lee says) — and there will also be the return of Milestone, a label that features under-represented heroes and creators.

Lee takes on the fate of DC Universe, changes to the publishing line and the seismic shift the company made amid COVID-19 to break from Diamond Comic Distributors.

Is DC still publishing comics?

Absolutely. One hundred percent. It is still the cornerstone of everything that we do. The need for storytelling, updating the mythology, is vital to what we do. The organization leans on us to share and establish the meaningful elements of the content that they need to use and incorporate for all their adaptations. When we think about reaching global audiences, and we see comics as helping drive that awareness and that international brand, it’s very much part of our future.

That said, we will be reducing the size of the slate. But it’s about looking at everything and looking at the bottom 20 percent, 25 percent of the line that wasn’t breaking even or was losing money. It’s about more punch for the pound, so to speak, and increasing the margins of the books that we are doing. It was about aligning the books to the franchise brand content we’ve developed and making sure that every book we put out, we put out for a reason.

You now have two interim editors-in-chiefs, Marie Javins, who headed digital strategy, and Michele Wells, who headed the YA imprint. How is that going to work?

We thought it would be a great pairing to bring them together to help draft and organize the content we’re doing along these lines. Across digital, across global, we want to make sure we have diversity and inclusivity, and making it in a way that we have authenticity to the storytelling that we’re doing.

It’s really about consolidating all of our efforts and having every editors involved in all these directives and also organizing, broadly speaking, in content that is for kids 6 to 11 and then 12 to 45. It’s about consolidating format and oversight to a smaller, more concentrated editorial group.

Do you still have the title of publisher?

Yes.

Does your job change at all?

I have more responsibilities and more expectations than ever before. In conversations with (WarnerMedia CEO) Jason Kilar and (Warner Bros. CEO) Ann Sarnoff and my boss, (Warner Bros. global brands and experiences president) Pam Lifford, they have some very ambitious goals for DC and I’m excited to be a part of that. In that respect, there is more on our plate than ever before.

I will continue to be involved as intimately with publishing as I have from the get go. Nothing has changed there. And that’s to focus on the creative content, the content strategy how many books we should be publishing, the formats.

We are bringing in a general manager to the organization. My role, the way it was envisioned 10 years ago, was that I would always have a partner that would focus on the operational side. The general manager we’re bringing in has a wealth of marketing experience, global partnership experience, general business development experience. That person will start in September.

Do the layoffs or reorganization mean that planned comics are still happening? Are the comics that would have been announced at FanDome still happening?

There is no pencils down notice. Everyone has been notified to keep working on all the projects that we’ve already greenlit and started. To that extent, there is no change.

DC in the spring broke away from Diamond as its distributor and signed with two new companies. Some people said at the time it would be a mistake. How has it fared?

Not only has it exceeded our initial expectations, but the size and strength of the business is that same level or higher than pre-COVID. There was a lot of fear mongering out there about another Heroes World type of debacle that occurred decades ago; there is nothing further from the truth. Things have transitioned very smoothly — that’s not to say there aren't kinks that need to be worked out. UCS and Lunar, they’ve done an amazing job transitioning all the content we produce and putting it into new pipelines and getting it to retailers.

And we’ve gotten some tremendous numbers on some of recent books. We’re back to press on the Joker War storyline that has been running in Batman. Multiple printings on that. In fact, every issue since its launch has gone up in numbers and you know how hard that is. Usually when you launch, you start big and the numbers go down. But here it’s climbing issue to issue. We got our numbers for Three Jokers and the first issue sold over 300,000 copies. And that’s an $8 book. That’s a gigantic number for having new distribution.

This wasn’t about taking our distribution business and placing it the hands of two entities, it was about, "What can we do together to do things that were never contemplated before." Things that we would love to do to grow the physical market.

One rumor I heard this week is that DC is going to only sell trades and OGNs and make a deal with Marvel for them to publish DC’s comics.

(Laughs.) There is nothing further from the truth in that. I don’t know where you would even connect those dots. Why would we ever do that?

What about the rumor that AT&T hates comics and wants to get out of the comic business?

I don’t think they want to stop us from publishing comics. Comics serve a lot of different purposes and one of them is it’s a great way to incubate ideas and creating the next great franchises. We want to continue that. Why would you want to stop that? Why would you want to stop creating great content that could be used across the greater enterprise?

What is going to happen to DC Universe?

The original content that is on DCU is migrating to HBO Max. Truthfully, that’s the best platform for that content. The amount of content you get, not just DC , but generally from WarnerMedia, is huge and it’s the best value proposition, if I’m allowed to use that marketing term. We feel that is the place for that.

In regards to the community and experience that DCU created, and all the backlist content, something like 20.000 to 25,000 different titles, and the way it connected with fans 24-7, there is always going to be a need for that. So we’re excited to transform it and we’ll have more news on what that will look like. It’s definitely not going away.

What is the future of DC Direct?

When we started, we were one of the first companies, if not the first, to go out and create a business that catered to that specialty market. That success has brought in a lot of competitors and a lot of companies that are now in that space. So it’s about evolving the model. We want to produce those collectible and serve those fans, but we will probably shift to a higher price point collectible and more of a licensing model, working with manufacturers we already work with. From a consumer point of view, there will not be a change or drop off in the quality of the work they are seeing. Behind the scenes, how we create it and how we get it to them is going to change. We still have our principal lead of DC Direct, Jim Fletcher, with the company. He will be showcased in a fun panel with J Scott Campbell at Fandome.

Where do you see DC in two years?

You’ll definitely see more international content. You’re going to see more digital content. When you talk about growing our business, both physical and digital, to me the opportunities are global. That’s what we’ll be focusing on. Sometimes that takes the form of content that we take here and translate and sell in other marketplaces, but we want to partner with creatives in various territories and unlock stories that feel authentic to their marketplaces with characters that they can embrace as their own, and look for opportunities to take those characters and seed them throughout all our mythology.

With digital, that’s more of a windowing issue, meaning we’ll go out there with digital content and the stuff that performs well in digital also performs well in print. A good example of that is Injustice, the digital comics that tied into the video game. When that came out, it was the best-selling digital comic of the year, it outsold Batman. And brought a lot of adjacent fans into our business. And when we took that content and reprinted it in physical form, we sold hundreds of thousands of units. It was as big of a hit in physical as in in digital.

We’re using that as a model as we go out and do more digital content. We’ll take the most successful books and repackage it as physical books .I think there is definitely business to be had in physical periodicals. But that said, I think there’s greater upside in digital because we can go to a more global audiences and the barrier to entry, especially in this pandemic, is lower. It’s a lot easier to get digital content into the hands of consumers that want to read stories. We want to lean into that and think thoughtfully what digital content should be, what it should look like, the format.
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A ton of people are calling this the Death of DC, but I honestly can't wait to see how these changes alter the landscape for the better. For years and years the same people were in charge of the same stuff and comics didn't really have a chance to go anywhere. It was the same types of concepts, leading to the same types of giant crossovers, rinse and repeat. DC is looking at not just diversifying their line but focusing on younger audiences as well, and this is something I've been waiting for. Their goals for more digital content don't move away from comics in print like some would suggest, it's just another piece of the greater whole.

I worry about C list characters like Hawkman, Metamorpho, Deadman and others having even less time to shine, however their appearances in other media may get enough new fans interested in some of them. I have high hopes for Black Adam introducing fans to another type of JSA in the movies, and any day now I hope we get another JL animated series with dozens of characters like in JLU and JLAction.
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Suicide Squad, Young Justice, Teen Titans, and... Hawkman.... cancelled. As well as Batgirl, Batman and the Outsiders, JL Odyssey, and John Constantine: Hellblazer.
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Suicide Squad, Young Justice, Teen Titans, and... Hawkman.... cancelled. As well as Batgirl, Batman and the Outsiders, JL Odyssey, and John Constantine: Hellblazer.
When is the cut-off? That's three for me and I don't get anywhere near what I used to as it is.
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When is the cut-off? That's three for me and I don't get anywhere near what I used to as it is.
I *think* it was November. Hawkman's last issue is #29 though IIRC...
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Bleeding Cool is reporting Bob Harras has quit early from DC.
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Not sure if DC Fan-Dome had it's own thread but the bits I managed to get from it...

* Suicide Squad is getting a video game that includes Harley, Boomerang, Deadshot, and King Shark. Their mission is to take down.... a corrupted Superman.

* Gotham Knights will also be a video game featuring Nightwing, Batgirl, Robin, and Red Hood defending Gotham from the Court of Owls... AFTER BATMAN DIES!

* Ben Afleck has signed on to be Batman again in the Flashpoint movie.

* The Snyder Cut Trailer had a lot of new footage including Darksied and Snyder's version of Steppenwolf.

* Trailer for the Robert Pattinson Batman film was good, however the Riddler seems to be quite a departure from what we're used to in the same way the Arkham games reinvented Scarecrow to make him even more terrifying.

The only thing I never really saw was anything for the actual comics. Calling it now though, with all of these live action Batmen... I'll put $ on it.... We're gonna see a Batman Who Laughs in live action as well as a Multiverse Batman movie.
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