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Old 10-15-2019, 06:32 PM   #26
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I suppose if DC is serious about chasing away the last of their older long time readers, this will be the way to do it. DC wont even be a company that makes new comic books 5 years from now.
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Old 10-15-2019, 06:37 PM   #27
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For a long time it's been stated on the message boards that there's been a power struggle at DC between Dan DiDio and Geoff Johns. The New 52 was said to have been DiDio's idea, and Rebirth was said to have been the brainchild of Johns and a capitulation to the tantrums on the boards.

I think 5G might reflect the demise of Johns and DiDio's gaining a free hand.
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I think 5G is going to be looked back on after the death of the comic industry as the last hail mary by DC.

The end is nigh folks.
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Old 10-15-2019, 07:24 PM   #29
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For a long time it's been stated on the message boards that there's been a power struggle at DC between Dan DiDio and Geoff Johns. The New 52 was said to have been DiDio's idea, and Rebirth was said to have been the brainchild of Johns and a capitulation to the tantrums on the boards.

I think 5G might reflect the demise of Johns and DiDio's gaining a free hand.
Does Johns even have any power anymore? Like, even an actual title at DC anymore post- his "stepping down" as WB Pres and CCO?
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Old 10-15-2019, 08:31 PM   #30
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I think 5G is going to be looked back on after the death of the comic industry as the last hail mary by DC.

The end is nigh folks.
I'm sure that's how some people felt about DC in the 90's.
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:08 PM   #31
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I'm sure that's how some people felt about DC in the 90's.
Maybe, but the difference being... back then, there actually was a generation of brand new comic readers in the wings to (largely) replace the old.
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Maybe, but the difference being... back then, there actually was a generation of brand new comic readers in the wings to (largely) replace the old.
I hate to say it, but there might be one now, too. Especially if it's feminist heavy, there is a large audience to tap into with another revamping. It needs to be done with care, and can't be over sexualized like the New 52, but it could easily find an audience to replace those of us they may lose.
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Especially if it's feminist heavy, there is a large audience to tap into with another revamping.
What are some of examples of comics that are "feminist heavy" being successful these days?
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Old 10-16-2019, 02:19 AM   #34
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I would also disagree with "large audience". Trannys and girls doing cosplay at cons do not equal buying comic readers. New people just aren't interested in buying and reading comics. At least not in numbers that can sustain the industry. Comics stores are closing every year and the sustainable number of comic shops needed to be open to sustain the industry is approaching danger levels. I dont know what the magic number of stores it is. 1500? 1200? 1000? I honestly cant tell you exactly what it is, but when we get there, we will all know it because Disney or AT&T will pull the plug first, then the other will follow right after.
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:12 AM   #35
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Digital only for 2 years, then that gets yanked, too. Who's going to read digital comics when you can just watch an animated DC movie? Or anything else?
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:46 AM   #36
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What are some of examples of comics that are "feminist heavy" being successful these days?
Raina Telgemeier's latest graphic novel was the best-selling book last month. Not best-selling comic book. Best-selling book.
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:47 AM   #37
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Wow, the official DC timeline for this 5G continuity is bonkers.

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ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.
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^Doesn't sound all that different then their attempts to streamline everything in Zero Hour, but this was helpful and I look forward to the second video.
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Per Bleeding Cool the version of the timeline shown at NYCC was not finalized and they expect changes, some of it due to fan reaction to what BC was able to put together.
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So once again they have no plan.
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Like when the New52 came out and Didio was blabbing on the microphone, "You guys want the old stories to still have happened? They did!" Except they didn't, until "Rebirth," when they did... sort of/largely not.
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They have a plan. It's to throw away everything and replace it with new stuff, and hope that something sticks.
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Replacing everything with new stuff could work - if the new stuff were mapped out in a coherent way.
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So once again they have no plan.
I would say it's more along the lines of the plan not being finished, when they put up the timeline at nycc it was in tiny font that no one in the room could read and they did say they were still working on it. They didn't expect Bleeding Cool to enhance x1000000000 on photos and decipher it (which is totally on them).
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Eh. Doesn't matter. They've gotten me to the point where I'm just waiting for the next linewide reboot in 2023.
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Replacing everything with new stuff could work - if the new stuff were mapped out in a coherent way.

You think readers are going to warm to someone else in the roles of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman? DC couldn't even replace replace Hal and Barry. They backed down after they tried it.
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DC couldn't even replace replace Hal and Barry. They backed down after they tried it.
That was still a good 11 years for Hal being gone... 22 years for Barry.

So... they can replace Hal and Barry. It has been done, successfully.
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That was still a good 11 years for Hal being gone... 22 years for Barry.

So... they can replace Hal and Barry. It has been done, successfully.
Well, they backed down. Maybe they shouldn't have with Barry, but they did.

Shit, Marvel brought back Bucky Barnes, even though nobody was even calling for that.
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I don't think it had anything due to do with TPTB backing down. I think it was largely due to the success of books like JSA becoming popular again and older stuff in general after the 90's died down. When they decided the GLC proper would return they let a C list writer take over GL after Winick went SJW and the Corps didn't even have rings. Not to mention they made Kyle into Hal-lite. They probably figured those die hard fans that didn't like Kyle wouldn't accept the return of the GLC with him as lead, so they needed Hal to bring it back since it was his franchise first.

Geoff introduced a certain style of writing that really sold books back then. When he continued to make the Flash a top seller along with JSA it's like they gave him the task of bringing Hal back to test him before bringing back Barry with his own Rebirth series. Johns just hasn't stuck with another single character as long as he did Hal.

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The speculators call the shots in the comics industry. Pure and simple. They want EVENTS and RETURNS, and they'll get both here. They'll get the EVENT when DC throws everything away, and the RETURN when DC brings it all back.
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