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Old 08-16-2008, 04:34 AM   #1
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Default Reading some of the early Hal stuff

In Showcase form, interesting things.... (about to start issue 9)

What a GL Ring makes apparently stays put even after the GL stops thinking about it.

Hal as Pol Manning in 5700 - you would think they would know about Parallax wouldn't ya

The writers understood that the GL can actually do anything with the ring, turn invisible, shrink to subatomic size etc etc it's all there!

One panel - Hal uses his ring to create a MULTI color light show to distract a sea monster --- HUH?

I'm sure theres more to come....

I am really enjoying these Showcases though!
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:36 AM   #2
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Hal as Pol Manning in 5700 - you would think they would know about Parallax wouldn't ya
They do. In Zero Hour (the mini-series itself) we see young Hal in 5700 and the people there make some remark that they needed to grab Hal while he was still young and pure.
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:37 AM   #3
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They do. In Zero Hour (the mini-series itself) we see young Hal in 5700 and the people there make some remark that they needed to grab Hal while he was still young and pure.
You have a crazy memory dude

But always good info!

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Old 08-16-2008, 04:57 AM   #4
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GL Showcases are great, Broome was such a great writer in his prime and his pairing with Kane was one of the best of it's time.
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Old 08-17-2008, 01:15 AM   #5
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I like reading alot of the early stuff. You cann tell which of the writers were takeing LSD before they started on their book hehe and those were normaly the better issues



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Old 08-18-2008, 02:48 PM   #6
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I just picked up Showcase presents Green Lantern Vol. 1, Hal almost always forgetting about yellow makes me laugh
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There were a few concepts from the early series that I liked. Like the Guardians never really meeting a GL in person, they would summon a green avatar from the mind of the individual lanterns to Oa. And then question the lantern before sending them back to their bodies without any memory of the encounter.

I thought it was a little better if the guardians remained mysterious unknowable higher lifeforms.
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Old 08-19-2008, 05:05 AM   #8
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I've been reading them a lot lately. At one point Hal produces a rainbow beam to analyse a metal ... including the color yellow! hah! Take THAT emotional spectrum!

Gotta agree with "the ring can do anything" mentality in the earlier stuff. I haven't seen the ring do ANYTHING that fancy since V3 (and the lion's share of my knowledge) started!
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Old 08-28-2008, 07:00 PM   #9
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Gotta agree with "the ring can do anything" mentality in the earlier stuff.
Agreed. Schwartz, Broome and Fox were all science fiction people who happened to be working in comics, and it showed.

I also like how Hal's basic origin story and all the various players unfold over the course of 10-15 issues, in arcs. In fact Broome/Schwartz didn't really stop building out the GL-verse until issue # 40, 5 years in. And then just 10 issues later, they monkey-wrenched Hal's entire world, having him leave Coast City and his cast. Comic writing ahead of its time.

One of the best things about Flash and GL in those days was how futuristic they were. The stories were about the fantastic, and new and interesting applications of their relative powers. GL's applications of his ring were often improvisational, rabbit-out-of-a-hat type solutions. New ways to use the same basic powers.
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I've been reading them a lot lately. At one point Hal produces a rainbow beam to analyse a metal ... including the color yellow! hah! Take THAT emotional spectrum!

Gotta agree with "the ring can do anything" mentality in the earlier stuff. I haven't seen the ring do ANYTHING that fancy since V3 (and the lion's share of my knowledge) started!
You see them doing that stuff even now, but it is very rare.

For instance, take a look at how Waid feels about the character of Hal and the power of a GL -- he copied the abilities of the ever-evolving weapon, turned Adam Strange from water back to human/normal again, and supercharged the Zeta Beam to search and teleport people through TIME -- in Brave and the Bold.

It's rare, but it occurs, and it is a lot of fun when it does because it brings back the idea that, yeah, anything really CAN happen now and that yes, these are the most amazing tools in the universe.
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It's one of the reasons I fell in love with GL back in the day when I was stealing my brothers comics. Every Issue I was wondering what Hal, John or Guy were going to make to stop the bad guy this issue. Hal used the ring to prevent Major Disaster from speaking his name after he discovered Hal was really GL. John used his ring in one issue (pre-crisis) to create a couple giant trash can lids to counter Sonars sound waves and deafen him for a time while he wraped him up. It was all so cool. Then when they went into space seeing those alien species the different ship designs and the adventures. I didn't get the social commentary in the issues when it was there not till rereading them years later and was amazed at how deep those books where. There isn't another comic I have ever read that has held up in that respect over the years. Or is as referenced as much. Save for some issues of Spider-man, The Drug Issue and the Issue where he tossed away his costume.



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Old 09-01-2008, 02:44 PM   #12
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The latest one I read Sinestro needed to win a Qwardian Popularity Contest by being the most evil this is the Peril of the Yellow World story where the 8th dimension at least when entered through the Anti-matter Universe is entirely Yellow, and Sinestro mind trapped the people there to try to kill Hal
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Old 09-02-2008, 08:29 PM   #13
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you know what was really wierd back then Green lantern was a name hal made up the guardians didn't evn know they just said "this green lantern has one of ouir power rings"like they thought he was a enemy or something,and like the corps never exsited
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Some of those old stories just werent coherent at all, but I still love reading them with all the nostalgia and such.
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Old 09-06-2008, 02:19 AM   #15
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Anyone who is interested in seeing some of those old feats, take a look at the GL Respect Thread I posted in the v4 forum.

Hopefully it'll bring back some memories!
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Old 09-06-2008, 01:47 PM   #16
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you know what was really wierd back then Green lantern was a name hal made up the guardians didn't evn know they just said "this green lantern has one of ouir power rings"like they thought he was a enemy or something,and like the corps never exsited
While it is true that initially the idea was that Green Lantern was a name Hal came up with himself, there was always supposed to be a Corps (though the name wasn't mentioned until later). In the original origin, Abin mentions being part of a group.
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:46 AM   #17
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I really like reading the old stories because there was such a different storytelling style in place. Hal's ring could do a whole lot more because the readers were younger then and there wasn't as much need to make the rings' abilities "believable" (or consistent). And while the stories were certainly more fanciful, there was an amazing imagination at play that was just as (if not more) delightful.
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Old 11-13-2008, 03:38 AM   #18
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I've been enjoying going through the Silver Age GL stuff in the Showcase series myself. Couple that with the other Showcase Silver Age stuff and the Chronicles and I've had my hands enjoyably filled.

I just wish the upcoming GL Chronicles weren't the Silver Age. I'd like to see an affordable reproduction of the Golden Age GL outside of the Archives. I still have yet to read any of the original GLs adventures outside of him teaming up with Hal as their worlds cross and the modern stuff with Alan Scott.
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Old 12-01-2008, 11:36 PM   #19
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I've recently gotten into the Showcase myself and GL's ring seems to be, more or less, a "wishing ring". It doesnt really live up to the limitations of the rings now. Such as staying focused to keep a solid construct.
In Issue #18 "Green Lantern vs Power Ring" the ring is even used to conjure up food to feed a hobo.
Yea...I like seeing how characters evolve over time, but sometimes I'm just thinkin "Wow! What the hell?!"


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Hello FriscoFugly!

Actually, many post Silver Age appearances showed the ring conjuring up food that was edible. Even Power Ring, the anti matter version of John Stewart, was able to conjure popcorn in Busiek's JLA arc.

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The limits placed on the ring in recent years are IMHO lazy writing. Like "GL is always going to win his ring can do anything" oh not any more now its power is used up at what appears to be the damn speed of light in most issues, ones will power can exceed the rings ability to process it etc etc.... lazy writing
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The limits placed on the ring in recent years are IMHO lazy writing. Like "GL is always going to win his ring can do anything" oh not any more now its power is used up at what appears to be the damn speed of light in most issues, ones will power can exceed the rings ability to process it etc etc.... lazy writing

I don't know that I agree with it being lazy writing. I would call it Kryptonite Syndrome. For whatever reason, most writers literally fear writing characters that are too powerful. There has to be something quick they can use so the protagonist has to face an uphill battle against adversity.

Thus, Superman has Kryptonite, Batman gets knocked out from behind anytime they need, Thor used to turn back to human form without his hammer for 60-seconds, Hulk gets calm and becomes banner, Spidey runs out of web-shooter fluid, Alan Scott has problems wood, Silver Age Lanterns and the Yellow, etc., etc.

The preference seems to be that some level of vulnerability or the appearance of it at least, has to be around so that the audience is concerned about the outcome of the story.

A wish ring is kind of an automatic win, as originally written. The power issues and tech glitches are simply the modern "Kryptonite" to keep GLs from being so powerful, the audience isn't interested, because they know the good guys got it easy.



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Old 12-10-2008, 05:33 PM   #23
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Where yanks are seeing lazy writing and Kryptonite syndromes, I see brilliant writing. And I mean brilliant. Maybe some folk would like to return to the days with Kyle crying every issue with his life partner, Terry.

Hal's not perfect by any means, but as far as most interesting characters go he's Top Dog.
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I dunno if calling it "lazy writing" is fair. In the old days the ring was really, REALLY powerful. Unbelievable feats include:
- effortless time travel.
- mind reading / tampering.
- moving planets out of the way.
- creating planets (full of life, may I add).
- "programming" (telling the ring to do something after it's off the finger).
- complete protection against any mortal harm. They actually went to great lengths to make some threats actually threatening; explaining why the reserve charge didn't apply in some situations and that the villain could actually kill GL.

The Silver Age stories have their charm and some are pretty good, but there's no argument in my mind that GL was far too powerful. Godlike being make great background chatracters, but are lousy to read about. Most of the limitations they place on him now make a bit of sence.
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While it is true that initially the idea was that Green Lantern was a name Hal came up with himself, there was always supposed to be a Corps (though the name wasn't mentioned until later). In the original origin, Abin mentions being part of a group.
And in Green Lantern #59, the origin was retconned by having Abin Sur call the battery possessors "Green Lanterns." Hal himself even said, "At the time, I thought I had given myself that name -- but actually it was planted in my mind by Abin Sur!"

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