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Old 06-25-2018, 04:51 PM   #26
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Baz could have been DC's Kamala Khan, if they hadn't introduced him as a hooded car thief with a gun. You never get a second first impression, and stumbling out of the gate like that cost them dearly.
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Old 06-26-2018, 08:20 AM   #27
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^ Right. Also, being accused of blowing up a building was kinda' tone deaf to me. I'm not necessarily for wiping away a person (or character's) background or never addressing it, but approaching the character like, "Oh, I'm writing a Muslim now? Well, let me see how I can incorporate terrorism into this," seemed kinda'... I dunno'... very, VERY cliche. And it's especially bad when this is, too, is part of his initial story. Baz will never get away from being a gun-toting, ski mask wearing car thief Middle Eastern Muslim who was sent to Guantanamo Bay on charges of terrorism as his origin. Actually, as I'm typing this, I'm realizing how funny the whole thing is. The scenario seems satirical, except it is not.

So yeah, I think the character was problematic right from step one. The biggest offense to me, though, was that another Green Lantern character--especially that character--just wasn't needed in my opinion. I really don't see what Baz brings to the table, or what he added to the Green Lantern franchise.

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Old 06-26-2018, 05:15 PM   #28
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I really don't see what Baz brings to the table, or what he added to the Green Lantern franchise.
His contribution was being a checkmark on a list. Much like Cruz was.

Too many human GLs man. The sooner they weed half of them out the better.
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Old 06-26-2018, 05:20 PM   #29
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Geoff Johns said that Baz was about his father being Lebanese.

So there's that.
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Old 06-27-2018, 06:37 PM   #30
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I kind of wished they'd stuck to the plan and killed off John Stewart. Thin the herd. Too bad DC got chickenshit, it could have been powerful.
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Old 06-27-2018, 08:53 PM   #31
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I kind of wished they'd stuck to the plan and killed off John Stewart. Thin the herd. Too bad DC got chickenshit, it could have been powerful.
Uh oh...
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Old 06-28-2018, 01:59 PM   #32
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Yeah, I would go bullshit if DC tried to kill off John with permanent intent. To me, John Hal and Guy are untouchable.
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Old 06-28-2018, 02:56 PM   #33
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Yeah, I would go bullshit if DC tried to kill off John with permanent intent. To me, John Hal and Guy are untouchable.
To DC, Baz and Cruz are untouchable too.

At one time, Kyle was the only one who was untouchable. Thanks to Grant Morrison, he is again.
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Old 06-28-2018, 02:57 PM   #34
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Yeah, I would go bullshit if DC tried to kill off John with permanent intent. To me, John Hal and Guy are untouchable.
Most especially if they did it before killing Baz, Jessica, or even Kyle (not that I want Kyle gone, but he has less seniority).
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Old 06-28-2018, 03:38 PM   #35
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They've tried again and again to "graduate" the various Earth GLs to positions that would open up Sector 2814 to new GLs. John Steward in Mosaic. Hal as Parallax. Kyle as Ion. Guy as Warrior.

The problem is, every time DC reboots, for some reason Hal Jordan has to be there. With John Stewart right behind him, and Guy waiting in the wings. Even Kyle was de-powered from Ion twice, and from being a White Lantern recently. I would have been fine with Guy Gardner, Vuldarian Warrior, ex-GL. I was fine with Kyle as the White Lantern until DC tried to make him a deus ex machina for every mistake made in the DCU.

Now they're bringing Hal back to Earth. As said before, Baz and Jessica are the new Untouchables, the politically correct GLs of 1.) Muslim, and 2.) female. So we'll see the usual mistakes being made in JLA and GL with the three of them.

I'm starting to wonder if DC writers and editors have the same IQ test as policemen in the USA, as in "not too high, the readers won't understand". It is really about sales. Even Larfleeze lasted 12 issues! So many mistakes made in the DC office.
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Old 06-28-2018, 04:23 PM   #36
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If you want to know why Baz and Cruz happened to Green Lantern, I've got two words for you:

Geoff Johns.

Those are his turds floating in the punchbowl.

I don't like to celebrate anyone's misfortune, but I'm very glad that someone at DC clipped his wings. It's just too bad it didn't happen before he created Baz and Cruz.

It wasn't entirely his fault that he got so full of himself. The delirious hosannas of his fanboys could have turned anyone's head. That stuff also tuned the heads of DC's higher-ups, at least for a while. But reality tends to assert itself sooner or later, and the reality was that he should not have been calling all the creative shots in the comics, let alone in all of DC Entertainment. Not even in Green Lantern, for that matter.

And as far as making Guy and John something else besides Green Lanterns -- not just no, but HELL no!

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Old 06-28-2018, 04:23 PM   #37
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Double post.

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Old 06-29-2018, 01:41 PM   #38
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Getting back on topic, was rereading the solicits for GLs #54 & 55 and I realized Jurgens is going straight for the go-to antagonist of Hank Henshaw. THAT didn't take too long lol.
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Old 06-29-2018, 01:52 PM   #39
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Hank Henshaw, the Ravagers and Eon battle the Green Lantern Corps on Mogo for the fate of the universe!
Read that and rolled my eyes. I can wait. I can wait.
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Old 06-29-2018, 03:52 PM   #40
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To be fair, Jurgens created Henshaw. If anyone is allowed to tell more stories with him, it's Dan.
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To me, Hank Henshaw has always sounded like the name of a country and western singer.
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Old 07-01-2018, 03:32 PM   #42
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I think Henshaw makes for a better GL villain than a Superman one. He just needs a new codename other than Cyborg Superman or just Cyborg. Rather than take over everyone else's robot armies [looking at the Manhunters and Alpha Lanterns] I'd love to see him make his own army.

It's also always bugged me since he can absorb and reconfigure technology... why hasn't he tried to absorb the Eradicator in whole or in part to become more powerful?

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Old 07-05-2018, 02:50 AM   #43
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Nrama: Then to finish up, Dan, we know that Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps is ending soon, and there are other things rumored to be happening with the Green Lantern franchise. Are you on Green Lanterns for awhile? Are you aware of what's next? And can you give any hint as to what readers can expect?

Jurgens: I think the safest thing to say is that I am writing this story, and that's what I want the emphasis to be about right now, on this first Green Lanterns story I'm doing.

For anything that comes after that, I'll just have to say stay tuned.
From a new interview with Jurgens on Newsarama. Pretty telling about the longevity of the Green Lanterns ongoing title.
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Old 07-05-2018, 05:55 PM   #44
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I am writing this story seems like it's only a handful of issues.
This first Green Lanterns story I'm doing seems like he's in for the long haul.

I guess they're going to relaunch with a new #1 with Jurgens on board.
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Old 07-06-2018, 12:28 AM   #45
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Sounds to me like there's still a lot of wheels turning and nothing is for sure. He's writing one story for certain... maybe the final arc or issue of the series will be announced later. Unless the numbers actually manage to increase with Jurgens' pen, I doubt they'd relaunch the series with him still writing. Then again nobody thought Robert V. would continue writing Hal after the New52 ended and he stayed with Hal and the GLC another fifty issues....

I suppose WB could be fine with DC producing average comics with less than stellar sales.

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I'm sure Jurgens knows EXACTLY how many issues he will be writing GLs for. No way DC didn't fill him in on their plans and the bigger picture.

They could have always called in Joey Cavalieri to write it. He has been used as a "closer" a couple of times over the years.
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Wasn't he a Superman editor in the 90's?

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Yeah. Been writing and editing since the early 80s. I remember they brought him out of the mothballs to write the last few issues of Wally's series. AND...fun fact, he wrote the last story of GL volume 2, namely #224. Like the grim reaper of the comic rack!
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Looks like Morrison's title will star Hal, and Hal alone. Have to wonder what that means for Guy, Kyle, and John. Is "Green Lanterns" going to go away and be replaced? Will it continue, but become more of a Corps book, and less of a Baz and Cruz focus? I don't expect them to ditch Baz and Cruz, but I'd be kind of surprised if they leave us with Hal, Baz and Cruz, with no venue for the rest of the Corps.
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I am thinking its one of 2 scenarios. Either GLs just ends and we don't see the other human GLs for a while, or they keep the title going but rework it into an Earth based title with a hundred human GLs.

I'd rather not see John and Guy go into the mothballs, but maybe a break of a year-ish would be ok while the main title asserts itself.
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