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Old 11-06-2017, 01:19 PM   #3176
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I'm still interested to watch it though, only because I've seen the first two, but I am also conflicted about supporting a movie with my money that was made by an unrepentant child molester, regardless of how good a creature feature it is. I have not purchased the others either, only rented (back when Blockbuster was around).
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Old 11-06-2017, 02:43 PM   #3177
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The Syfy channel has been showing Jeepers Creepers 3 for free this week. A few times so far. They are showing it again tonight at 9pm if you are interested.
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Old 11-06-2017, 02:44 PM   #3178
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Syfy is a good place for it. The quality is on par for them. If I first saw it for free on Syfy I might have felt better about it than I did coming out of the theater.
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Old 11-06-2017, 03:41 PM   #3179
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The Syfy channel has been showing Jeepers Creepers 3 for free this week. A few times so far. They are showing it again tonight at 9pm if you are interested.
Awesome, thanks I will check it out now!
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:28 PM   #3180
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I'm still interested to watch it though, only because I've seen the first two, but I am also conflicted about supporting a movie with my money that was made by an unrepentant child molester, regardless of how good a creature feature it is. I have not purchased the others either, only rented (back when Blockbuster was around).
I can understand that intent (especially since my best friend as a kid was molested), but I can't go that route. It feels like a slippery slope. If I started with that, I'd feel like I have to throw away Rosemary's Baby and any Weinstein movie, and any movie with Kevin Spacey, Gerard Depardieu, Bill Cosby, Robert Blake, or OJ Simpson. Not to mention problems I have with Sean Connery, Joan Crawford, Woody Allen, Alec Baldwin, Bing Crosby, and Sam Shepard, none of whom were arrested for it, but all of who did something pretty bad to their families. And that wouldn't even begin to cover creators with whom I have serious issues in their philosophy, religion, or politics. I don't think I'd have many movies left. With Salva, I feel like I can separate his work from the man as long as I'm not literally support him in an act of molestation or child pornography.
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Old 11-07-2017, 01:28 PM   #3181
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I'm actually fine with not a supporting any of those guys works. I mean I have in the past, but once I find out what a scum bag they were I have a hard time supporting something they've worked on (eh, I'll let Spacey's work in Seven slide because he was a unrepentant scum in that too, it fits ). I've never seen Rosemary's Baby, don't plan on it.

I think I'd only have a serious crisis of conscience if someone suddenly found a lot of dirt on like John Carpenter or Ridley Scott haha. Avoiding those other people is pretty easy for me, not into their stuff really to begin with.
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Old 11-07-2017, 01:52 PM   #3182
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Well, you gotta do what you're comfortable with. It's fine to say separate the art from the artist, but if you watch Rosemary's Baby and you spend the whole time thinking "this was made by a creepy rapist, I'm getting sick," then there's not much point anyway.
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Old 11-07-2017, 03:00 PM   #3183
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I guess it really also depends on the subject matter and how disgusting the crime is.

I wasn't aware of Salva being a weirdo before watching the first Jeepers Creepers, but it definitely painted my viewing of Jeepers Creepers 2 a little differently in light of what Victor's crimes were; like the Creeper slowly licking the window, and the scenes with the teenage boys with their shirts off peeing in the field. In his lockup photo he is smiling ear to ear and I've read articles that point out that he has never apologized for what he did, so he really just comes off as a pedo creep to me.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:41 PM   #3184
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If you think about it, moves are made by hundreds and often thousands of people. Where does one draw the line? The actors? Director? Producer? Keep on going, best boy? Gaffer? Animators?

If you want to boycott movies based on the scummy things people do that make them, just give up watching movies and tv forever because they are chock full of degenerates behind and in front of the camera. And that goes for most art if you think about it. If you aren't applying your principles all the way top to bottom, then you are only succeeding in impressing your friends.

The only way be sure, like Hicks said.
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Old 11-07-2017, 11:26 PM   #3185
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...I wasn't aware of Salva being a weirdo before watching the first Jeepers Creepers, but it definitely painted my viewing of Jeepers Creepers 2 a little differently in light of what Victor's crimes were; like the Creeper slowly licking the window, and the scenes with the teenage boys with their shirts off peeing in the field. . .
Yeah, I've thought the same thing. Powder has a bit where school bullies strip the main character. In JC, the Creeper also zeroes in on the young man (though admittedly of age) by smelling his underwear. There's something just a little off there that I probably wouldn't think much of if I didn't know what I know about him. I've heard people make similar claims for Polanski, but the examples I heard were a bit more of a stretch.

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If you think about it, movies are made by hundreds and often thousands of people. Where does one draw the line? ...
Yep. And for that matter, you're also punishing them (this is all assuming you don't just dislike the material). But maybe one of the cast is a great humanitarian. Maybe the editor is a volunteer fireman who saves little kiddies all the time.
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:33 AM   #3186
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Yeah, I've thought the same thing. Powder has a bit where school bullies strip the main character. In JC, the Creeper also zeroes in on the young man (though admittedly of age) by smelling his underwear. There's something just a little off there that I probably wouldn't think much of if I didn't know what I know about him. I've heard people make similar claims for Polanski, but the examples I heard were a bit more of a stretch.



Yep. And for that matter, you're also punishing them (this is all assuming you don't just dislike the material). But maybe one of the cast is a great humanitarian. Maybe the editor is a volunteer fireman who saves little kiddies all the time.
Thats kind of my thinking. How many people are put out of work if a movie gets scrapped? A lot. And most of them are good people.

Don't get me wrong, the director here is a complete scumbag who I wouldn't want to meet or ley anywhere near my son. I just like the Jeepers Creepers movies themselves. Now that you guys bring up little bits like Powder and JC, you are making me think about other odd things. That whole bus of teenage boys in JC 2 was probably a wet dream for him.
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Old 11-08-2017, 02:15 PM   #3187
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Thats kind of my thinking. How many people are put out of work if a movie gets scrapped? A lot. And most of them are good people.
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If you think about it, moves are made by hundreds and often thousands of people. Where does one draw the line? The actors? Director? Producer? Keep on going, best boy? Gaffer? Animators?
They are made by thousands, but I drew a clear and definite line at the director (the creative center and visionary behind the film) and the primary actors on screen, the ones delivering the lines, anyone to do with the creative forces behind making the film that stand to gain anything reputation wise from the film's success. That's why when a film fails they don't talk about how the gaffer fucked up.

So by your logic it's okay to support their work, regardless of what they do, you have no problem supporting the work of degenerates, racist scumbags, murderers...as long as it fits your criteria of entertainment. I see where you stand; in the "I don't care" crowd, and that's fine, and that's really where most people stand, so I get it. They only care about your dollar vote, and you don't care what they do, rape kids, whatever, as long as the end product entertains you. They love to hear that, and that's how they continue to get work, but I can find plenty of art and entertainment that isn't mired with this nonsense.

I will say that if there was a Green Lantern writer that came in with a pedophiliac history, tortured animals, found guilty of raping his grandma, I would boycott the book, probably along with most of the people here, which really would be expected. Taking a moral high ground isn't always about impressing friends.
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Old 11-09-2017, 04:26 AM   #3188
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Well burn your entire Gerard Jones run of Green Lantern now.
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Old 11-09-2017, 01:27 PM   #3189
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I don't have any.
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:58 PM   #3190
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I don't have any.
Touche...
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Old 11-12-2017, 08:37 PM   #3191
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+ YouTube Video
ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.


Came across this by accident and thought it relevant to our previous discussion of the Halloween franchise.
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Damn, that actually makes me a bit uncomfortable. I like both Carpenter and Zombie (both their music and films), and I'm hoping that there's some reconciliation about these negative feelings and this apparent lie.
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:01 AM   #3193
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Damn, that actually makes me a bit uncomfortable. I like both Carpenter and Zombie (both their music and films), and I'm hoping that there's some reconciliation about these negative feelings and this apparent lie.
I wonder if there was miscommunication because I could've sworn in the commentary to Zombie's Halloween he spoke of Carpenter approving. At any rate, I thought his explanation of the economics of remakes made sense.
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Commentary might have been that Carpenter gave approval but was brusque about it, coming off as cold. That might be what Zombie meant.

I scanned some of the comments below the video and apparently Zombie has a known history of being a jerk in interviews. Granted, the video is a bit old, so things might have improved since then, but hell if I know.
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A couple horror movies I've streamed recently, but didn't talk about . . .

Prophecy (1979)

"The forest provides more than a man could possibly need."

This doesn't have a great rep, but I thought it was decent if you can buy the premise, which is that a city health inspector (to take a break) is assigned to settle a land dispute between Native Americans (led by Armand Assante!) and a paper mill in Maine by making an environmental determination. Taking his wife (Talia Shire) with him, he discovers that mercury in the water is mutating the wildlife, most dangerously a killer bear.
The movie has some ties to the Omen series (which I've been watching on Sundays)---it was written by Selzer and the male lead is the bad guy that aids Damien in #2.

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Nightmare [aka Nightmares in a Damaged Brain and Blood Splash] (1981)

"You lose a dangerously psychotic patient from a secret experimental drug program, and all you can say is 'I'm sorry'?"

I was chatting with Black Hand that this movie is hard to describe. I don't know that I would say it's a really good movie, but it definitely makes you think and is worth a watch for slasher/80s horror fans. It's hard to describe, so I'll crib IMDb:

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A mental-patient, who is troubled with horrible nightmares, has escaped from his hospital. Now on the streets he can't help killing innocent people. But there is one family he is more than interested in and when he tries to kill them, he finds that it's not that easy.
What that doesn't describe is the purposely jarring editing and weird scenes. It's also really gory. And there's this strange connection between the programmed killer and the boy in the family who is not quite right in the head either.
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:28 PM   #3196
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Yes the movie kind of takes you along these weird side plots but culminates in something extremely creepy and unsettling. You essentially follow along with this mental patient as he travels the country, randomly suffering though extreme psychotic bouts and outbursts of insanity, while also learning about a white bread family in FL, pretty much side by side. The killer makes it to the family's house in the end and has a stand off with a clever young boy who also seems a little touched in the head. There's a lot of gore and cheese in between to keep you interested. It's really an odd film the way it comes together. The psycho's nightmares and hallucinations are extremely graphic and unsettling.

I've seen Prophecy too, but remember almost nothing about it.

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...I've seen Prophecy too, but remember almost nothing about it.
Yeah, I'll probably forget about it too within a few years (which is why I try to rate all these titles on Netflix even if I don't watch them from there). I think it's probably more memorable than it might deserve just because of the Native American angle (there's really not a whole lot of modern movies that depict those cultures let alone horror ones).
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Saw a headline about how "Get Out" is being categorized as "comedy" by the Golden Globes.

Humor that film may have, but I wouldn't call it a comedy.
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Anybody here listen to the "Say You Love Satan" podcast? I got an advert for them with my last order from House of Mysterious Secrets, and since I never use my phone at work and hardly ever listen to podcasts at home, was curious about getting on-board with this series. (It's an '80s horror theme).
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Saw a headline about how "Get Out" is being categorized as "comedy" by the Golden Globes. .
Just saw it. [Big Spoilers below in black]

It was very good. I can see how good horror movies often play on a common fear so this one was the discomfort of being a minority in a place alone.



I thought the power of the hypnotism was a bit unbelievable even given that the surgery was in the sci-fi realm. Also, why would granpa and granma be servants? Oh, and I thought the girlfriend being in on it was obvious right away, but that didn't detract from the film for me because it wasn't a rely-on-a-twist kind of movie.

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