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Old 07-02-2020, 06:09 AM   #1
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Default Geoff Johns in trouble?

Check this out...

https://www.indiewire.com/2020/07/ra...et-1234570870/

Ray Fisher (Cyborg from the live-action JL movie) goes on to say that Whedon's treatment during the 90% reshoot was abusive, gross, unprofessional, and unacceptable. Also, that he was enabled "in many ways" by Geoff Johns.

Wowzers!

Also, other bad juju on Geoff Johns....

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Old 07-02-2020, 11:06 AM   #2
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Someone from Warner Brothers needs to investigate Fisher's claims. This doesn't sound like the usual personality conflicts in moviemaking; this suggests a hostile work environment. WB needs to see how much of this is Fisher's perception or if others feel the way that he does.
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The fact that Johns maneuvered behind the scenes to keep the A-list pencilers away from Bendis should have put him on everyone's shit list. Ask yourself what kind of person does that.
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yeah don't care i just want the Cut to come out ("Whatever it takes")
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Now is the time to flush Baz and Cruz, rather than to keep paying him royalties on them.

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Old 07-03-2020, 03:33 AM   #6
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John's has always had a remarkable knack for injecting his own half creations into franchises so that he gets royalties for them down the line.
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Yep. And everything he created needs to go away. At this point it's worthless anyway.

The property has needed rebooting for a long time, and this should be the last straw for every skeptic.

But it's important to say that the reboot should be about SUBTRACTION, not ADDITION. Lord knows there's a ton of stuff that needs to go.
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Yep. And everything he created needs to go away. At this point it's worthless anyway.

The property has needed rebooting for a long time, and this should be the last straw for every skeptic.

But it's important to say that the reboot should be about SUBTRACTION, not ADDITION. Lord knows there's a ton of stuff that needs to go.
So you want Green Lantern to revert to Ron Marz's vision of his world? Because not only was Green Lantern on the verge of cancelling prior to Marz & Banks, but I'm pretty sure DC doesn't want to call attention to a certain writer who came before him.
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So you want Green Lantern to revert to Ron Marz's vision of his world? Because not only was Green Lantern on the verge of cancelling prior to Marz & Banks, but I'm pretty sure DC doesn't want to call attention to a certain writer who came before him.
Just get rid of everything that sucks. Which is one whole hell of a lot.

The concept of a proper reboot is simple. You go back to the very beginning of a comic, and as you retell the story, you leave out the parts that sucked.

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Just get rid of everything that sucks. Which is one whole hell of a lot.

The concept of a proper reboot is simple. You go back to the very beginning of a comic, and as you retell the story, you leave out the parts that sucked.
DC has already done this with the Morrison seasons. They've scaled back the backdrop, put the focus on Hal, and brought back allusions from the Silver Age. The next phase will logically be opening up the story again with multiple titles and more characters. I don't expect this story with Fisher and Whedon to change that.
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So you want Green Lantern to revert to Ron Marz's vision of his world? Because not only was Green Lantern on the verge of cancelling prior to Marz & Banks, but I'm pretty sure DC doesn't want to call attention to a certain writer who came before him.
The problem wasn't Marz. The problem was Raab, who didn't know how to write Kyle and removed all of his personality (or what was left of it after Winick had gotten rid of it during his run), trying to turn him into Hal. The book had sold fine under Marz.

And I have no idea why you're desperately trying to connect Marz and Banks to the kiddie porn collector that came before them.
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The problem wasn't Marz. The problem was Raab, who didn't know how to write Kyle and removed all of his personality (or what was left of it after Winick had gotten rid of it during his run).
Marz is my favorite GL writer, possibly my all-time favorite comics writer, so I wasn't criticizing him in any way. Perish the thought. I really liked Winick's contributions to Volume 3 too. I was only trying to understand Trey's vitriol towards Johns, and if he wanted the scope of GL's world (since vol 3 is the opposite of Vol 4) to revert back the pre-Johns days.

Conversely, I would welcome a Johns return to GL. Since DC is producing "seasons" now, perhaps Geoff has a 12-issue idea that he's keeping under wraps for us.

For that matter, while I'm gleefully wishing for things, I'd like my favorite dynamic duo, Marz & Banks, to reunite for a Blue Lantern Corps title. Since Kyle, Simon, and Saint Walker aren't doing anything these days, they could finally complete that Venditti storyline and resurrect the Blue Crew.
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Don't turn some little wise-ass loose on it who would add all sorts of stuff that he'd get paid for, and that even his fanboys would get tired of in a few years.
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Coming on top of Covid-19, this was the last thing DC needed. But it's what can happen to you when you make your company all about one hired hand. DC listened to Geoff's fanboys and promoted him again and again and again. He was their public face. He was Mr. DC for, I don't know, maybe fifteen years.
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No,that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about GETTING RID OF THINGS.

Yes, including Jessica Cruz. She's got to go, along with much other flotsam.

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No,that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about GETTING RID OF THINGS.

Yes, including Jessica Cruz. She's got to go, along with much other flotsam.
What you're talking about will cost DC money. That won't happen, even if WB investigates Johns and finds that he's guilty of unsavory behavior. DC will continue to add characters and tell space opera stories with Green Lantern because those are intrinsic to this type of mythos.

Enjoy the smaller-scale stories while you can, because the next writer will likely be under an editorial mandate to find places for characters and concepts that are currently dormant. With the HBO Max show coming up, DC will want to advertise and capitalize on as many GL characters as possible.
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Yes, including Jessica Cruz.
She's not going anywhere. She's a pivotal face in the DC Girls show and merchandise line. Being partially created by EVS wasn't enough of the woke brigade at DC to erase her so nothing Johns can do will have her erased.
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She's not going anywhere. She's a pivotal face in the DC Girls show and merchandise line. Being partially created by EVS wasn't enough of the woke brigade at DC to erase her so nothing Johns can do will have her erased.
The XM statue is a good indicator that she's resonating with adults as well as kids. It carries a $600 price tag, so there had to be some solid market research that it was going to sell before putting out such a premium piece.

Moreover, even if there is something particularly egregious to Ray Fisher's accusations (and I highly doubt much heat comes GJ's way), that doesn't mean that DC would shed his characters/concepts with GL. Despite her dubious beginning, Arisia is still around 39 years later after her creation. If that's the case, issues like EVS's Comicsgate comments and the conditions on the set of the JL movies aren't going to cause DC to cut ties with narrative elements that will still make money for the company.
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The XM statue is a good indicator that she's resonating with adults as well as kids. It carries a $600 price tag, so there had to be some solid market research that it was going to sell before putting out such a premium piece.
I like Jessica so I have no problem with her sticking around [I just wish it wasn't at Guy's or Kyle's expense] Her background of having anxiety and overcoming it makes her relatable. So I'm not surprised at the premium merchandise [plus I'm sure alot of adults watch Dc Girls. I mean Bronys for God sake]
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I like Jessica so I have no problem with her sticking around [I just wish it wasn't at Guy's or Kyle's expense]
And that's the problem. Is Young Justice only for new fans? Is Teen Titans only for new fans? Because that's the age demographic the rulers of DCU appear to be aiming for.

Is Superman ever going to retire? No. Is Wonder Woman? Not while her movies with Gal Gadot are blockbusters. Batman? They've tried, multiple times, to retire Batman, and it's never worked. So what makes Green Lantern teeter on the edge of the garbage can by the editors of DCU?

Sales.

Green Lantern comes in below #10 (or even #28) on a weekly basis. The fans have a love/hate relationship, no, a love/apathy relationship with Green Lantern. The stories are hard to write. The graphics use more green ink than the United States Mint on a year-over-year basis. Transferring to CGI was the bomb of 2011, because it's still difficult to do free-form raytracing for all those constructs in a movie with actors and actresses. So live-action blockbusters fueling the DCU skyscraper in New York City is not going to happen with Green Lantern.

So with Green Lantern limited to animated comic (or anime?) style production, the best we'll see are the animated movies of First Flight or the daily/weekly TV episodes of DC Super Hero Girls. That's lunch money at the DCU skyscraper, not rent money.

Does Geoff Johns care about GL? In my opinion, only if he can bring "rent money" to the DCU skyscraper. He's not interested in anything less, because of his cut of the proceeds.
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I like Jessica so I have no problem with her sticking around [I just wish it wasn't at Guy's or Kyle's expense] Her background of having anxiety and overcoming it makes her relatable. So I'm not surprised at the premium merchandise [plus I'm sure alot of adults watch Dc Girls. I mean Bronys for God sake]
Likewise, I wish Kyle had the spot that she's currently occupying. However, given that GL's non-print appearances have been so sparse over the last decade, I'm just glad than ANY Lantern is getting the spotlight.

DC Super Hero Girls is indeed a fun show. I watch it with my youngest daughter, but I'd watch it regardless. Jess is very different on that show, as is Hal Jordan, but it's a nice entry point to the DC Universe for young kids. Animation is important in making new readers. How often do you hear that comic book readers were first hooked by seeing a cartoon when he/she was young? I'd say that's a significant portion of comic book fans.

With the news that DC will reduce their number of ongoings, I kind of expect either a GLC solo book or the next title to focus on a pair of Lanterns. John will probably stay in the JL title. Could Hal and Jessica be paired up? That could work. Where does that leave Guy, Kyle, and Simon? Unfortunately, I don't know. However, I do expect Jo Mullein to find her way into something like Teen Titans or another young character-centric book.
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Old 07-04-2020, 04:26 PM   #22
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Bullshit .DC isn't going to "investigate" anything.

Make your case that DC should continue paying royalties to this guy for having created such an extraneous and piss-poor character. You can't.

The only thing that should concern anyone when DC does the right thing and flushes her is that you might have to be out on suicide watch.

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Bullshit .DC isn't going to "investigate" anything.

Make your case that DC should continue paying royalties to this guy for having created such an extraneous and piss-poor character. You can't.

The only thing that should concern anyone when DC does the right thing and flushes her is that you might have to be out on suicide watch.
Johns created numerous characters that will never go away. DC is still milking his GL concepts, most recently in Dark Kinghts Metal. Jessica is one of those characters, and you don't have to like her to understand that she's been one of the most visible GL characters in the last 5 years. You have to be oblivious to deny that.
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I dont see Johns going down for this. This broad comes off as kind of a pathetic attention whore.
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^In her particular case it doesn't sound criminal. Creepy, sure; but not criminal. And did he even know she wasn't 18 (though, close, btw)?
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