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Old 04-30-2012, 02:51 PM   #1
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Default Thoughts of a Sinestrologist.

After reading The last issue of Green Lantern, It got me to thinking about Sinestro's future in the Green Lantern mythos. The Indigo tribe is going to make him feel compassion and maybe be remorseful for some of his actions. I don't really know how I feel about this.

I get the angle that they are Playing. If Sinestro has a mental disorder,to what level is he responsable for his actions. It is kinda an new extreme on a insanity plea. It is a good story to tell but I wonder if Sinestro is the right vehicle for it. but lets discuss it any way.

If Sinestro is insane. How responsible do you think he should be?

I know this is a stretch,but there is a real moral question there.

Let's say you are part of a hung jury,what exactly can be done about Sinestro? You can't kill him because he will just come back,and you can't put him in a scince cell because he will just escape. No cell can hold him. What do you do with a super criminal like that.
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If Sinestro is truly insane, he shouldn't even currently be a green lantern, but no Johns won't let that happen.

When (if) Sinestro does get captured again, and is convicted. He'll likely be sent to a Sciencell. Of course we all know that won't be happening anytime soon. After all he's gotta be the good guy.
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Send him back to the anti-matter universe? I don't think he's insane, quite the opposite, he's a genius, and sometimes the line between the two is razor thin.
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Send him back to the anti-matter universe? I don't think he's insane, quite the opposite, he's a genius, and sometimes the line between the two is razor thin.
You can be a genius and still be insane. Haven't you ever heard of a mad scientist?
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You know, this is a really good question.

What IS insane in the case of Sinestro?

Is he a megalomaniac? Not plagued by the unrealistic thoughts of supposed power, Sinestro wields true power not just in his ring (regardless of color) but in his mastery of. Before the arrival of Hal Jordan, Sinestro was the greatest of all the Green Lanterns. He is the unquestionable master of the yellow light of fear. He had the strength of will to force the white to do his bidding. So no, Sinestro is no megalomaniac. He possesses true power and mastery of his bailiwick.

Does he suffer from grandiosity or delusions of grandeur? Simply put, no. He simply is what he is. Is it a delusion for Sinestro to realize he is one of the most, if not the most powerful being in the universe? He wields the most powerful weapon in the universe with ease and amazing proficiency, a skill matched only in the Green by Jordan, unmatched whatsoever in the yellow. And even Hal Jordan's transition to the greatest Green Lantern is based on Hal's raw willpower, evidenced in its most extreme in the killing of Krona. It's the sledgehammer versus the scalpel. And the fact remains, there is no delusion concerning Sinestro's ability or capability wielding a ring.

Is Sinestro narcissistic? You bet. Is it a sign of insanity or a characterization? A personality trait? I believe it's moreso based on his experience and ability, an offshoot of his status. Muhammad Ali told the world he was The Greatest. And for a time, he was right. Did that make Ali insane? Self-promoting and narcissistic, yes. But not insane.

Does Sinestro suffer from a superiority complex? Plainly put, no. As Adler described, there is a yin to the yang where a defined superiority complex is in place to either defend a pronounced INferiority complex or lies beneath the surface of the more extroverted inferiority perception. This however leads us to begin to understand what Sinestro is by understanding what he is not.

He is narcissistic. He enjoys an incomparable sense of self-righteousness and hubris. There is no question he has the ability to act on his beliefs regardless of how skewed with societal norms they may be. He is effective, a master within his own bailiwick whose drives seem "evil" when again compared to societal norms. But we cannot look at "evil" and assign its presence as an attribute of insanity.

In other words, no. Sinestro is not insane. He's just a bad ass.
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What if though. What if There were a pill, or something else that could make Sinestro see the error of his ways. What then? Do you still punish him for the actions of his defect?

Should he be exacuted? If he was returned to his potential as the Greatest Green Lantern, Should have have the oprtiniuity to make up for his misdeeds? Or should he be locked away forever?

If such a pill existed. Should he even be given it. Is the Green Lantern Corps help to reform criminals or Punish them.

My friend who studies criminal justice and I often have this debate. over prision. Is it there for punishing or is it there for rabilitating criminals. Do cold blooded murderes deserve another chance at the life thay have taken from others?
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You can be a genius and still be insane. Haven't you ever heard of a mad scientist?
A mad scientist isn't insane, it's someone who is a genius with no moral compass.

And I agree with Tommy Boy. Sinestro has an extreme superiority complex, he's a bad ass and is smart enough to knows what he's capable of, but he isn't insane. Killing people to further your own personal agenda is not necessarily a characteristic of insanity. I think Sinestro truly believes the universe will be a better place with him in charge and that motivates his actions. He wants to make the universe a better place on his own terms...
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Sinestro is also a alien. His ways though similar to ours our not our own. Should that not be taken to account?
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A mad scientist isn't insane, it's someone who is a genius with no moral compass.

And I agree with Tommy Boy. Sinestro has an extreme superiority complex, he's a bad ass and is smart enough to knows what he's capable of, but he isn't insane. Killing people to further your own personal agenda is not necessarily a characteristic of insanity. I think Sinestro truly believes the universe will be a better place with him in charge and that motivates his actions. He wants to make the universe a better place on his own terms...
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A scientist or inventor who is insane, especially one whose madness (intentionally or unintentionally) endangers himself, others, or the world; once a stock character in science fiction and horror stories.
■1908 R. McDonald title: Mad Scientist: A Tale of the Future
■1931 M.W. Wellman Voice from Ether Wonder Stories (Sept.) № 523/1: This was the noted "joy-lamp" invented by a mad scientist to administer a new and unheard-of intoxication to all who came into its light.
■1959 Lima (Oh.) News (Feb. 14) № Entertainment section 6/5: She is a normal, lovely girl during the day but a mad scientist is experimenting with her by administering potent drugs that turn her nightly into a monster woman.
■1972 B. Turner Solden's Women № 82: He would have passed for the mad scientist in one of those films which star giant insects.
■1979 I. Asimov Scientist as Villain Asimov on SF (1981) № 67: The mad scientist is a cliché that went out in the early 1930's.
■1991 Locus (May) № 31/1: When people say "mad scientist" we never wonder for a moment if perhaps they mean that the fellow is merely angry.


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I don't get how you could be insane but still be logical enough to make giant acid spitting robots to dominate the world. I thought that they had appeared to be insane due to social norms and moral expectations, like Victor Frankenstein is often referred to as a "mad scientist", but he was not insane, he just crossed boundaries of social norms that society considered sacred. And by insane I am thinking more along the terms of schizophrenia, not some temporal state. I don't believe in the "insane genius", although insane and genius minds share a commonality in how they filter data.
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So if you are a genius first then go insane do you stop being a genius because you are now insane?
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So if you are a genius first then go insane do you stop being a genius because you are now insane?
Yes I see them in most cases as being mutually exclusive. The only exception I can think of would be art, but that's all subjective.
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...If Sinestro is insane. How responsible do you think he should be?...
I don't think Sinestro is that kind of insane. The kind of insanity that would preclude him being responsible would be a total disconnect from reality. For example, if he didn't realize beheading people kills them or if he followed the voices of magical fairies who told him killing people sends them to the land of rainbows and happy unicorns. Sinestro's insanity is one he shares with most murderers; he's a sociopath with antisocial tendencies and a low estimation of the value of life. But he clearly knows what he's doing. He understands that he is killing people and he could choose not to. Therefore he is responsible.

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What if though. What if There were a pill, or something else that could make Sinestro see the error of his ways. What then? Do you still punish him for the actions of his defect?
I do believe in a penal side to justice outside of rehabilitation. You may kill someone and feel truly sorry for it, even vow never to kill again, but you should still suffer the consequences of your actions.

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I don't get how you could be insane but still be logical enough to make giant acid spitting robots to dominate the world. I thought that they had appeared to be insane due to social norms and moral expectations, like Victor Frankenstein is often referred to as a "mad scientist", but he was not insane, he just crossed boundaries of social norms that society considered sacred. And by insane I am thinking more along the terms of schizophrenia, not some temporal state. I don't believe in the "insane genius", although insane and genius minds share a commonality in how they filter data.
I don't believe insanity means being totally illogical. There's no direct relationship between sanity and intelligence. If there were, it would be just as true to say all sane people are smart and logical.
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And what's being missed is that evil does NOT equal insanity. It is simply the lack or the disregard of the guiding principles of society's normative values.
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I don't believe insanity means being totally illogical. There's no direct relationship between sanity and intelligence. If there were, it would be just as true to say all sane people are smart and logical.
Mostly insane is good enough to quantify insanity I think. It would be just as true to say all sane people are logical. There's too many morons to give sane people the benefit of being smart too.
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I don't think Sinestro's insane. But I think his arrogance blinds him to a lot.

Like when he brought his Corps to Krugar. And then he's shocked that they're terrorizing people. And he doesn't seem to see the problem with giving a whole bunch of murderers great power just so he can force change on the GLC, as if that wouldn't bring a truckload of problems or that nobody would suffer. He sort of sits on an ivory tower where he thinks he's above people. We can see him confronted by this when he's put in a cell with the Krugarians.

But the Indigos aren't like police officers and being in their tribe is not like being in jail. Their rings pretty much brainwash criminals into being decent people, questions of sanity nonwithsatnding.

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You know, this is a really good question.

What IS insane in the case of Sinestro?

Is he a megalomaniac? Not plagued by the unrealistic thoughts of supposed power, Sinestro wields true power not just in his ring (regardless of color) but in his mastery of. Before the arrival of Hal Jordan, Sinestro was the greatest of all the Green Lanterns. He is the unquestionable master of the yellow light of fear. He had the strength of will to force the white to do his bidding. So no, Sinestro is no megalomaniac. He possesses true power and mastery of his bailiwick.

Does he suffer from grandiosity or delusions of grandeur? Simply put, no. He simply is what he is. Is it a delusion for Sinestro to realize he is one of the most, if not the most powerful being in the universe? He wields the most powerful weapon in the universe with ease and amazing proficiency, a skill matched only in the Green by Jordan, unmatched whatsoever in the yellow. And even Hal Jordan's transition to the greatest Green Lantern is based on Hal's raw willpower, evidenced in its most extreme in the killing of Krona. It's the sledgehammer versus the scalpel. And the fact remains, there is no delusion concerning Sinestro's ability or capability wielding a ring.

Is Sinestro narcissistic? You bet. Is it a sign of insanity or a characterization? A personality trait? I believe it's moreso based on his experience and ability, an offshoot of his status. Muhammad Ali told the world he was The Greatest. And for a time, he was right. Did that make Ali insane? Self-promoting and narcissistic, yes. But not insane.

Does Sinestro suffer from a superiority complex? Plainly put, no. As Adler described, there is a yin to the yang where a defined superiority complex is in place to either defend a pronounced INferiority complex or lies beneath the surface of the more extroverted inferiority perception. This however leads us to begin to understand what Sinestro is by understanding what he is not.

He is narcissistic. He enjoys an incomparable sense of self-righteousness and hubris. There is no question he has the ability to act on his beliefs regardless of how skewed with societal norms they may be. He is effective, a master within his own bailiwick whose drives seem "evil" when again compared to societal norms. But we cannot look at "evil" and assign its presence as an attribute of insanity.

In other words, no. Sinestro is not insane. He's just a bad ass.
I am LOVING this thread...but I am mixed. I'd say Sinestro is borderline narcissistic. But I don't know if he either doesn't care or doesn't fully see the consequences of his actions. I certainly lean towards doesn't care as long as he gets the end result...then again he's my #1 favorite lantern so I may be a bit biased...as someone else pointed out to me Vegeta was my favorite character in Dragonball Z...

Actually I think Gauntlet101010 says it best...his arrogance blinds him a lot.

I do envy how easily and quickly he makes his decisions though.
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I am LOVING this thread...but I am mixed. I'd say Sinestro is borderline narcissistic. But I don't know if he either doesn't care or doesn't fully see the consequences of his actions. I certainly lean towards doesn't care as long as he gets the end result...then again he's my #1 favorite lantern so I may be a bit biased...as someone else pointed out to me Vegeta was my favorite character in Dragonball Z...

Actually I think Gauntlet101010 says it best...his arrogance blinds him a lot.

I do envy how easily and quickly he makes his decisions though.
Sinestro is full on narcissistic.....100%. I agree with you that he doesn't care as long as he gets what he sees is right.
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Let's pretend for just a second,that Sinestro suffers from a split personality. On one side of the coin is The greatest Green Lantern ever,and the other side is the Renagade Green Lantern. If you can can cure him and return him to that person,Do you? and if you do do you punish the one personality for the actions of the other?

I my self say let him remain evil,and punish that verson of the two personalities.

However, Sinestro has so much knowldge of the both being a Green Lantern and the villians they fight. His value as a allie is almost with out equal. Plus shouldn't a person at least have a chance to make amends. Killing him won't bring anybody back, it will only avenge them. Is vengance for the lives he took a fair trade off for the lives his other half may save?

Wouldn't it be awesome to see the Guardians talking about things like this instead of always being up to something sneaky?
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Have you read Identity Crisis? That series dealt with the issues of forced rehabilitation and behavior modification. It was pretty interesting.
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Let's pretend for just a second,that Sinestro suffers from a split personality. On one side of the coin is The greatest Green Lantern ever,and the other side is the Renagade Green Lantern. If you can can cure him and return him to that person,Do you? and if you do do you punish the one personality for the actions of the other?

I my self say let him remain evil,and punish that verson of the two personalities.

However, Sinestro has so much knowldge of the both being a Green Lantern and the villians they fight. His value as a allie is almost with out equal. Plus shouldn't a person at least have a chance to make amends. Killing him won't bring anybody back, it will only avenge them. Is vengance for the lives he took a fair trade off for the lives his other half may save?

Wouldn't it be awesome to see the Guardians talking about things like this instead of always being up to something sneaky?
I feel like giving him a crutch like split personality make an easy excuse for his actions. I prefer Sinestro be the only cause for his actions. Johns did play up the influence of the Yellow Ring when Hal had it...Even Atrocitus influenced Sinestro by telling him his "future".
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Have you read Identity Crisis? That series dealt with the issues of forced rehabilitation and behavior modification. It was pretty interesting.
I had the fisrt two, but never really got into it. I like these ideas in Green Lantern because they have so much power that, every decision made should not be taken likley.
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I feel like giving him a crutch like split personality make an easy excuse for his actions. I prefer Sinestro be the only cause for his actions. Johns did play up the influence of the Yellow Ring when Hal had it...Even Atrocitus influenced Sinestro by telling him his "future".
I agree, I don't think Sinestro can really absolve himself of any of his previous crimes. For the split personality scenario to work he'd have to not be aware of what all his split personalities were doing. Sinestro strikes me as a character that prides himself in being in complete control, so having split personalities doesn't really jive with what he's all about. I feel like he's almost hyper aware of his actions; like a sociopath. He's constantly positioning people on a chess board in his mind, I don't think he would be able to keep up with the pieces if he spends half the time not knowing what his other personality is up to.

The Indigo solution is akin to lobotomy. I'm not familiar enough with what happens after beings escape the Indigo clan, if they return to their former personality or are permanently affected, but I'm guessing that even the Indigo glow won't permanently put the old man down. I think that his only true redemption is in saving the universe and martyring himself in the process. This may be off, but sometimes I think of Sinestro as a Hitler-like character, someone responsible for genocide and war, for the suffering of millions or rather billions on an intergalactic scale. His victims want to see him pay. The outrage against Sinestro would be too much to sate by simply reconstituting his persona to feel compassion. He would have to punished publicly, and I don't see that happening while he wields the most powerful weapon in existence. So again I think the only way for Sinestro to redeem himself is by sacrificing his life to save the universe.
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I'd eventually want him to go back to his Yellow Ring but I don't think I even want Sinestro to be redeemed but maybe Johns will change my mind.
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I agree, I don't think Sinestro can really absolve himself of any of his previous crimes. For the split personality scenario to work he'd have to not be aware of what all his split personalities were doing. Sinestro strikes me as a character that prides himself in being in complete control, so having split personalities doesn't really jive with what he's all about. I feel like he's almost hyper aware of his actions; like a sociopath. He's constantly positioning people on a chess board in his mind, I don't think he would be able to keep up with the pieces if he spends half the time not knowing what his other personality is up to.

The Indigo solution is akin to lobotomy. I'm not familiar enough with what happens after beings escape the Indigo clan, if they return to their former personality or are permanently affected, but I'm guessing that even the Indigo glow won't permanently put the old man down. I think that his only true redemption is in saving the universe and martyring himself in the process. This may be off, but sometimes I think of Sinestro as a Hitler-like character, someone responsible for genocide and war, for the suffering of millions or rather billions on an intergalactic scale. His victims want to see him pay. The outrage against Sinestro would be too much to sate by simply reconstituting his persona to feel compassion. He would have to punished publicly, and I don't see that happening while he wields the most powerful weapon in existence. So again I think the only way for Sinestro to redeem himself is by sacrificing his life to save the universe.
In the comic world you can absolve any body of any crime. It just takes the right gint space cricket or what ever.

That said, I don't want to see Sinestro absolved of his crimes. I wan't to see him answer for them. In real life we would just give him the chair and be done with it. But this is a diffrent world. Sinestro actually has to power just as much as an unstoppable force for good as he is for evil. In the end is that not the purpose of The Green Lantern Corps? I want to see Sinestro pay emotionally for his crimes,because there is not other realistic way to punish him.

Have a Guardian join with him like they did with Hal when he became Parallax,Make him go see the after math of his crimes,and face to face with the people he has hurt. The Green Lantern's weild so much power without a thought.



After the story runs its course Return him to his normal self with the Sinestro Corps.
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