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Old 03-26-2019, 10:28 PM   #8426
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Yes, it was Batman 67 that did it for me. My comic buddy pointed out that every two weeks I am disappointed with this arc, so I should probably be true to my word and actually drop it.

I love(d?) Tom King. I have pretty much all of his work except for the Grayson stuff. I just can't get behind the stretched out thin stories that he had been producing, and with 67 being sooo thin, I couldn't support the decompression anymore.

I seem to be one of the few not enjoying his new output. I didn't think Mister Miracle was all that great either. Same with Heroes in Crisis. These are not fun to read comics in my mind.

I like most of the artists he has worked with, but I can't buy a Batman book on art alone twice a month on principle.

Thank you guys for your input.
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Old 03-30-2019, 01:04 AM   #8427
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Old 03-30-2019, 11:46 AM   #8428
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That looks like a bargain bin toyline.
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Old 03-30-2019, 12:56 PM   #8429
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That looks like a bargain bin toyline.
I just assumed Hypo was a couple days early with the April Fools.
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Old 03-30-2019, 01:25 PM   #8430
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Old 04-05-2019, 12:31 PM   #8431
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That looks like a bargain bin toyline.
Yeah it definitely reminds me of a toy brand. I'm not a fan of the current Detective Comics take on Batman anyways. I think it should read more like an hard crime adult mystery title (something DC will never do), not a hook for the Bat-Family concept.
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Old 04-05-2019, 12:53 PM   #8432
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Like the Rucka era after NML? Or even harder? Back then, we had Gotham Knights to fill the Bat-family niche, but that got cancelled eventually.
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Old 04-05-2019, 06:02 PM   #8433
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I did like No Man's Land and Rucka, but I'm thinking something darker, something like they are trying to do with the black label; no bat penis necessary though. Batman deals with murderers, rapist, cereal killers; the stories should reflect some of that darkness to a degree. Something along the lines of Seven or True Detective that might read better to a more sophisticated audience who grew up reading Batman into their adult years and might want something more hard broiled from a title with "detective" in it. It should read like a true crime story.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:21 AM   #8434
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We'll see how much Batman Damned sells after the penis controversy. I hope there's a market for HBO Batman.
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Old 04-06-2019, 12:57 PM   #8435
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Well, there was a market for HBO Spawn...
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:21 PM   #8436
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Well, there was a market for HBO Spawn...
...and I loved it. I'm a huge Spawn fan though.
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Old 04-08-2019, 12:51 PM   #8437
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...and I loved it. I'm a huge Spawn fan though.
I used to like how MacFalane would do this little intros (or outros?) to the show like Rod Serling.
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:26 PM   #8438
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They come off as a little corny now when I re-watch them, but I thought the basement intro was a nice way to set up the atmosphere before getting into the story.

I'm really thinking more in funnybook terms though for a harder edged Detective Comics, one that reads like Mindhunter or something along those lines.
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:58 PM   #8439
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They come off as a little corny now when I re-watch them...
Yeah, probably. I honestly haven't seen them since they were still on the air, though I would be willing to pick up a collection on DVD or BD if I ever saw it for a good price.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:27 PM   #8441
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Yeah, probably. I honestly haven't seen them since they were still on the air, though I would be willing to pick up a collection on DVD or BD if I ever saw it for a good price.
I picked them up off of Amazon. The biggest disappointment is that it feels like the story ends very abruptly; they were setting things up for later that just never happened. I wonder if the new movie will drum up interest in a new Spawn animated series on HBO. That'd be pretty rad.

In Batman related news I've been thinking about what Zack Snyder said about Batman killing; I don't lean that far into the "murder Batman" theory, but I don't have a problem with him allowing someone to die, or refusing to rescue someone, or crippling him or her for life. I wouldn't want a straight up Punisher-esque Batman like Grim Knight; but I don't think Bruce Wayne would lose sleep if he brutally maims some criminal who later dies on the hospital bed or something.
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Bleeding Cool: Rumour – Tom King Taken Off Batman? Last Issue Will Be #85?
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Old 05-23-2019, 08:54 AM   #8444
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I wish. But it still sells a lot of copies.
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Old 05-23-2019, 03:16 PM   #8445
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It's probably in the mid 80k, but the book is not gaining any readers. They might be doing this preemptively, because those sales will only continue to drop and they don't want the embarrassment of not having a top selling Batman book. The forecast for the sales by the time issue 85 hits probably aren't very rosy.
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Old 05-23-2019, 04:25 PM   #8446
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CBR: King Leaving Batman By End of 2019, Has More DC Projects In the Works

Bleeding Cool: The Morning After… The Tom King Batman News Broke
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Yesterday morning, Bleeding Cool broke the story that Tom King had been dropped by DC Comics from the Batman ongoing comic, and that his final issue would be Batman #85. It seemed to take the industry by surprise and we received word from a number of senior industry figures asking if we were quite mad to run this story. But during the day, word seemed to coalesce around our original report, and other reporting organisations suddenly had their own sources supporting our original story. CBR had a source. Den Of Geek had a source, even if they weren’t entirely sure where the story had originally come from as Comics Beat managed to report on it without even mentioning Bleeding Cool, which is always impressive of them. I wonder what all these people’s sources were doing before? But after Tom King tweeted a semi-confirmation, other news sources were a lot happier to report our news.

But lots more went down during the day which has given us a greater picture as to what was going on.

Bleeding Cool understands that the decision was made and enacted last Friday, at Megacon Orlando where Tom King was a guest and which had a strong DC Bat-presence, but it was kept a secret from many people who thought they would have been included – or at least notified – about the news, including close colleagues of Tom. The original plan was to brief people this week. Which, well, has kind of happened now.

But why? Well, first despite some people’s spin, this was very much not Tom King’s decision. More than anything I am told that significantly senior people at DC Comics simply did not like Tom King’s Batman comic, even as it was gathering Eisner nominations. DC EIC Bob Harras especially had a particular dislike of the run.

But like or dislike is not enough to derail such a project. The decision was justified by a softening of Batman sales of late. Some places (like Comics Beat again) reported that sales on Batman dipped to 86,000, they are wrong, sales have never dipped anywhere near that low. But they were not at the 110-130,000 that has been more common for the title. The arc in which Batman is wrapped in a series of nightmares did not go over as well with the regular audience, and there has also been a softening since the much-hyped-by-DC wedding of Batman and Catwoman turned out not to be a wedding. This may well have been more of an error in marketing than in storytelling, promising what was not in the story’s power to give.

The argument that has made to me is that King’s Batman is too esoteric for the main book on which so much of the publisher rests. And King’s tendency to not compromise, to dig his heels in on the title and do things his way – while this may have been fine for Detective Comics, is not appropriate for the main twice-monthly Batman comic. There were lots of internal arguments about City Of Bane – but then there have been arguments about so much. King was even able to get his editor fired off the book when they argued over the choice of David Finch for the Catwoman proposal scene. I understand that Heroes In Crisis also not performing sales-wise as strongly as hoped may also have been a contributing factor in the decision as well.

I am informed from a very senior source that a DC Comics exclusive writer has been approached to start writing the book from Batman #100 at the end of the year, giving them time to clear their deck and prepare. No names mentioned, but one clear suggestion is that this is Brian Bendis.

It has also been noted that Bendis was recruited by DC from Marvel on very favourable terms – more so than King – but he is currently writing books that have far softer sales at DC right now, including the Superbooks. Putting him on Batman might help justify his financial deal to the Warners/AT&T beancounters, and also give DC the Batman comic they really want.

Some people have suggested Scott Snyder might return to the books. But Last Knight On Earth was meant to be his final cap to his Batman story with Greg Capullo and he has a lot of creator-owned projects planned to be announced this summer.

But what to fill the gap between #85 and #100? It has been suggested that, rather than having its own title, the upcoming Bryan Hitch/Warren Ellis Batman run might fit rather snugly in the gap – scheduled willing of course. Just a suggestion, mind. I mean, there’s always Josh Williamson, Tom Taylor, Sean Murphy, Mark Russell, Tim Seeley, Cecil Castellucci, Dan Jurges, Bryan Hill, Priest, James Tynion IV, Peter Tomasi, Ram V, Joelle Jones or Scott Lobdell hanging around the Batbooks who might fancy a shout at the gig…

Now, I am a big fan of Tom King’s run on the series, a feeling I know is not shared by everyone. But I have admired the authorial voice, the experimentation with storytelling and form, the ticks. It’s my favourite Batman and I was down for the ride.

Cancelling his run with twenty issues to go, even if sales have softened, ignore the surge that City Of Bane and Year Of The Villain was likely to bring the title, and the long term benefit of having a hundred plus issue run which can be collected and republished as one big storyline for years, decades, centuries to come. I do think it is short sighted of DC Comics. Maybe they can do the same with 85 issues of Batman and a couple of years worth of Catwoman, if that is indeed what happens. But right now it feels like DC have cancelled Watchmen with issue #9. Or Omega Men with issue 6. Or Top Ten Season Two with #6. They did the last two by the way, though reversed the middle one.

In many ways, Tom King’s Batman is a quixotic storyline, about a broken, damaged man, who knows he should stop. His love, his family, his father, all point out how he can only be happy if he stops. And if he is happy he can’t go on. But he does, rejecting his own happiness for his own drive, tilting at all the windmills that Gotham has to offer. And in some ways that is also Tom King’s run on Batman, a planned-for 100 issue run on a mainstream superhero comic has never been attempted before. Let alone one that makes sixties camp a key recurring feature while simultaneously plumbing the depths of humanity, layering separate storylines upon each other that combine with real surprise, and even brings in Elmer Fudd. What’s more quixotic than even attempting such a thing?

More as it unfurls… and it will make for an interesting Eisner Award ceremony if King wins for either Best Series and Best Writer…
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I am sure he will end up on a book that is a better fit for him. Everybody will win.
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Old 05-24-2019, 10:38 PM   #8448
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BATMAN/CATWOMAN #1 CONTINUES ONGOING BAT/CAT ROMANCE

“City Of Bane” Concludes in BATMAN #85
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BURBANK, CA (May 24, 2019) – DC fans can expect an exciting future as the publisher revealed early details on its strategy for 2020, beginning with stories featuring tight, intertwined narratives across DC’s comic book lineup. Leading this charge into the future is Batman, the World’s Greatest Detective and a cornerstone of the DC universe.

Beginning in January 2020, DC’s ongoing BATMAN comic book, currently shipping twice-monthly, will return to a monthly schedule, allowing DC to incorporate the monthly BATMAN title into the larger DC universe and continuity. BATMAN will ship alongside a new 12-issue BATMAN/CATWOMAN series by Tom King and Clay Mann, while Bat-Family titles DETECTIVE COMICS, CATWOMAN, NIGHTWING, BATGIRL and others will continue into 2020 with no immediate changes to their shipping schedules.

“We’re making changes to our comic book publishing line to set DC up for continued success,” said DC’s editor-in-chief Bob Harras. “We’re starting with the bestselling BATMAN comic after ‘City of Bane’ wraps up in December. ‘City of Bane’ is an incredible story and an integral part of our overall ‘Year of the Villain’ campaign, and a new Tom King and Clay Mann Bat/Cat series in 2020 fills the gap once BATMAN begins to ship monthly.”

Featuring art by Tony S. Daniel, ’City of Bane’ kicks off in BATMAN #75 on July 17th, 2019, when, after three years being broken down by Bane, Bruce Wayne falls to his lowest point. Bane’s minions have moved into Gotham City, taken control and are ruling with an iron fist…and Batman is nowhere to be found. This extra-sized anniversary issue kicks off a storyline that ties together all the threads of the first 74 issues of Tom King’s epic BATMAN run. ’City of Bane’ will run 11 issues with artwork by series regulars Daniel, Mikel Janín and Mann, concluding in December 2019 with BATMAN #85.

“Batman and Catwoman is a chance to do what Morrison and Quietly did in Batman and Robin: launch an ambitious, accessible, beautiful, thrilling new series that concludes years of stories and defines what Batman is, can, and will be,” said Tom King. “This will be a comic about what the best Batman comics are always been about, how our greatest hero turns fear into bravery, pain into hope, trauma into love. It’s the story I always wanted to tell, and I’m telling it with the man I consider to be the greatest artist in comics, my brother Clay Mann.

“It’s tough to leave Batman,” added King. “It’s a gift and a joy to be on that book. But I’m leaving it to work on the biggest, most ambitious projects of my career, comics I get to make with the best collaborators in comics. And that’s a gift and a joy too.”

“We’re excited for fans to get more of what they love from DC,” said Harras. “With Joëlle Jones continuing on CATWOMAN, a new creative team on BATMAN, plus titles like DETECTIVE COMICS, BATGIRL, NIGHTWING, RED HOOD: OUTLAW and BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS, our Gotham City protectors and the talent behind them will continue to offer great stories that cater to the tastes of as many Bat-fans as possible in 2020 and beyond.”

promo artwork for BATMAN/CATWOMAN by Clay Mann and Hi-Fi
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