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Old 02-26-2019, 05:13 PM   #1301
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The art is gorgeous!
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:57 PM   #1302
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Even Batman has dropped considerably, and DC has to be looking at those last 40 issues of King's run with a little sweat on the brow.

Other than the DC Nation magazine, I don't know how much push the GL title has received. I think the acclaim behind the book means it will have good lifetime sales, even if its not lighting up the charts during the initial printing.

I think overall most of the superhero comics I follow just have not been that good. I only subscribe to GL, Flash, and Batman. I also get Heroes in Crisis and Doomsday Clock.

The best things they are putting out right now in my opinion are Doomsday Clock and The Green Lantern.
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Old 02-26-2019, 11:53 PM   #1303
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Last month there were only 4 titles that had more than 100k units ordered.

Even more sad, there were only 25 titles with more than 50k units ordered.
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Old 02-27-2019, 12:04 AM   #1304
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You get to #110 and everything is under 20k. Regular well known titles. This is horrific. No wonder comic shops are going out of business.
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...No wonder comic shops are going out of business.
I don't see that so much. I feel like it was much worse at the end of the 90s when it seemed like the brick-and-mortar shops were closing left and right. Admittedly, I don't go to a lot, but I can't think of the last time I've looked for or talked about an LCS I knew and heard "oh, they're gone."

Perhaps part of that is how diversified they are now. Even the small shops tend to also sell specialty mags, toys, tabletop gaming, manga, etc. Heck, even when I go to my LCS on Monday or Tuesday, I more often than not see someone else already there or come in before I leave.

I'm not saying the industry can't fail, but I think there will always be comics. Maybe they'll become a rarity or maybe they'll go to a less-frequent release formula (like manga in Japan), but the fans will want something. And there still seem to be people who want to make them despite there being better ways to make a living. Just last Wednesday a guy walked into my LCS handing out his own independent comic for them to try and I've seen the same thing within the last year.
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I don't see that so much. I feel like it was much worse at the end of the 90s when it seemed like the brick-and-mortar shops were closing left and right. Admittedly, I don't go to a lot, but I can't think of the last time I've looked for or talked about an LCS I knew and heard "oh, they're gone."
You're both right. It was worse in the late 90s/early 2000s when the speculator bubble burst and something like 2/3s of the comic shops in the country closed. But 2017 saw around 50 shops close nationwide and I read several articles last year about comics (floppies, not necessarily TPBs) experiencing a severe downward trend in sales across the board.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:54 AM   #1307
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As I predicted, Odyssey is fading fast. This is another flameout for Jessica Cruz and the long-discredited concept of B titles.
I think the biggest problem of Odyssey is that they launched the book with Stjepan Sejic, an artist with a huge online fanbase, which led to a ton of word-of-mouth and people buying the series who are usually not the mainline DCU audience. And then Sejic doesn't even create every other issue. His fans are jumping ship, and they made a not-so-small part of the sales.
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I think the biggest problem of Odyssey is that they launched the book with Stjepan Sejic, an artist with a huge online fanbase, which led to a ton of word-of-mouth and people buying the series who are usually not the mainline DCU audience. And then Sejic doesn't even create every other issue. His fans are jumping ship, and they made a not-so-small part of the sales.
The problem is that since the Silver Age, no B title has EVER sold. But in 40 years, nobody at DC has noticed that.

Now someone is going to say, "But what about Detective Comics and Action Comics?"

So? What about them?
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Old 02-27-2019, 07:08 PM   #1309
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All periodicals are dying in paper format.

Comics as a medium will be fine, though. People want to make them because:

a) People will always want to tell their stories and comics are relatively easy and cheap to make. While it is often hard work, a single person can do a comic from start to finish and you see this all the time in the indie scene. At least in the online indie scene. Most comics there are single person enterprises.

Often, but not always, things like movies, video games, and cartoons that are on a comparable level are much more difficult to do. A single person can do them, sure, but it would take even more work and time.

b) It's certainly not guaranteed, but there can be a massive pay off. I've seen it happen plenty of times. If your comic gets popular then it can lead to really good money. Coincidentally, Van Sciver has one of the bigger indie comics now, and he's making way more money doing that than he could make from Marvel or DC work.

So there is still enough incentive for people to want to make comics, and as long as that's there, people will make comics. Dunno' what the future is for Marvel and DC, though. They are going to have to change things up considerably if they want to have a future making comics, though.
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Old 02-28-2019, 03:26 AM   #1310
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I think the biggest problem of Odyssey is that they launched the book with Stjepan Sejic, an artist with a huge online fanbase, which led to a ton of word-of-mouth and people buying the series who are usually not the mainline DCU audience. And then Sejic doesn't even create every other issue. His fans are jumping ship, and they made a not-so-small part of the sales.
It's not a bad book at all, and a couple of the variant covers (like #2) are the kind of issues that a collector might want to keep for an auto at comic-con. That being said, it's essentially a Teen Titans in space book, and it was launched to deal with a few post-Metal questions. It probably won't last more than a couple of years, and I expect major changes soon with any characters in adapted in the Titans and Doom Patrol live-action shows. Logic dictates that DC will want to bring those characters in-line with the shows to capitalize on that new energy.
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It's not a bad book at all . . .
Yeah, I don't think it's a great comic, but I'm actually digging it more than the main Justice League's current arc.

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. . . and a couple of the variant covers (like #2) are the kind of issues that a collector might want to keep for an auto at comic-con . . .
Yeah, I've picked up the B cover for most of them. Very nice. The ones featuring Jessica are probably some of the best art for her and would make nice display pieces.

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Yeah, I don't think it's a great comic, but I'm actually digging it more than the main Justice League's current arc.



Yeah, I've picked up the B cover for most of them. Very nice. The ones featuring Jessica are probably some of the best art for her and would make nice display pieces.

That's the one. It's simple, but it's very display-worthy. I'm holding on to my copy in the event that I meet one of the Dodsons or one of Jessica's voice actresses at a show.
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I don't believe that tweet is wholly true. If sales are up at all I think it's due to raising prices, over flooding the market with product, constantly relaunching series with new number one issues, and variant covers. I don't believe there are any real organic and beneficial gains, but certain people don't want to tell you that part or consider it because they want to momentarily feel good about this dying industry. That in itself is a problem, because all you really get are band-aid fixes that ultimately do more harm than good.

So when someone does another New 52 or Rebirth, some people will be like "look at dem sales!" without wanting to consider that a year later they will be right back where they were before, and that these constant relaunches are hurting, because they often wreck storytelling and continuity across an entire line of comics, and make events and relaunches more and more trivial, while putting in readers' minds that if a story isn't an event or relaunch, it's unimportant and they don't need to pay attention to it.

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February 2019 Comic Sales

1 1 Batman Who Laughs 3 $4.99 02/13/19 DC 101,771
2 3 Batman 64 $3.99 02/06/19 DC 93,400
3 4 Batman 65 $3.99 02/20/19 DC 89,123
4 5 Venom 11 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 84,904
5 7 Heroes In Crisis 6 $3.99 02/27/19 DC 79,006
6 9 Amazing Spider-Man 15 $3.99 02/13/19 Marvel 71,407
7 10 Uncanny X-Men 12 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 68,636
8 12 Flash 64 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 67,712
9 2 Uncanny X-Men 11 $7.99 02/06/19 Marvel 66,962
10 11 Avengers No Road Home 1 $4.99 02/13/19 Marvel 64,505
11 6 Amazing Spider-Man 16 $4.99 02/27/19 Marvel 64,197
12 14 Detective Comics 999 $3.99 02/27/19 DC 62,953
13 13 Daredevil 1 $4.99 02/06/19 Marvel 61,566
14 17 Wolverine Infinity Watch 1 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 61,123
15 15 Detective Comics 998 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 60,447
16 16 Flash 65 $3.99 02/27/19 DC 60,031
17 8 Return of Wolverine 5 $4.99 02/20/19 Marvel 59,313
18 18 Justice League 17 $3.99 02/06/19 DC 57,105
19 19 Justice League 18 $3.99 02/20/19 DC 55,988

20 20 Fantastic Four 7 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 55,375
21 22 Superman 8 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 50,475
22 23 Green Lantern 4 $3.99 02/06/19 DC 50,176
23 25 Avengers 14 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 48,887
24 27 Avengers 15 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 48,050
25 21 Savage Sword of Conan 1 $4.99 02/13/19 Marvel 47,420
26 28 Wonder Woman 65 $3.99 02/27/19 DC 46,007
27 29 Wonder Woman 64 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 45,866
28 30 Walking Dead 188 $3.99 02/06/19 Image 44,597
29 31 Action Comics 1008 $3.99 02/27/19 DC 44,084
30 32 Guardians of the Galaxy 2 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 43,662
31 34 Age of X-Man Marvelous X-Men 1 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 42,021
32 35 Immortal Hulk 13 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 40,496
33 33 Star Wars 61 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 40,483
34 36 Thor 10 $3.99 02/13/19 Marvel 39,450
35 37 Captain America 8 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 38,651
36 26 Hulkverines 1 $4.99 02/20/19 Marvel 38,477
37 39 Conan The Barbarian 3 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 38,279
38 38 Shazam 3 $3.99 02/27/19 DC 37,905
39 42 Captain Marvel 2 $3.99 02/13/19 Marvel 37,380
40 41 Young Justice 2 $3.99 02/06/19 DC 37,081
41 44 Avengers No Road Home 2 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 36,396
42 43 Harley Quinn 58 $3.99 02/06/19 DC 36,010
43 46 Daredevil 2 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 35,763
44 47 Miles Morales Spider-Man 3 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 35,408
45 49 Avengers No Road Home 3 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 34,837
46 51 Tony Stark Iron Man 8 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 33,940
47 50 Justice League Dark 8 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 33,554
48 52 Catwoman 8 $3.99 02/20/19 DC 32,360
49 48 Star Wars Aor Count Dooku 1 $3.99 02/13/19 Marvel 32,316
50 54 Age of X-Man Amazing Nightcrawler 1 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 32,180
51 55 Age of X-Man Nextgen 1 $3.99 02/13/19 Marvel 32,059
52 63 Old Man Quill 1 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 31,508
53 45 Sharkey Bounty Hunter 1 $3.99 02/20/19 Image 31,399
54 53 Deadpool 9 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 31,332
55 56 Superior Spider-Man 3 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 31,028
56 61 Age of X-Man X-Tremists 1 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 30,737
57 57 Star Wars Aor Anakin Skywalker 1 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 30,626
58 58 Dead Man Logan 4 $3.99 02/13/19 Marvel 30,497
59 60 Savage Sword of Conan 2 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 30,024
60 59 Batgirl 32 $3.99 02/27/19 DC 29,839
61 62 Captain Marvel Braver & Mightier 1 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 28,844
62 85 Spawn 294 $2.99 02/27/19 Image 28,621
63 65 Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man 3 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 27,903
64 64 Wonder Twins 1 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 27,584
65 67 Nightwing 57 $3.99 02/20/19 DC 26,845
66 69 X-Force 3 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 26,809
67 68 Female Furies 1 $3.99 02/06/19 DC 26,515
68 71 Aquaman 45 $3.99 02/20/19 DC 26,291
69 72 Justice League Odyssey 6 $3.99 02/27/19 DC 26,248
70 73 X-23 9 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 25,845
71 66 Buffy The Vampire Slayer 2 $3.99 02/27/19 Boom 24,880
72 75 Spider-Gwen Ghost Spider 5 $3.99 02/13/19 Marvel 24,703
73 70 Firefly 4 $3.99 02/27/19 Boom 23,796
74 76 Punisher 8 $3.99 02/13/19 Marvel 23,707
75 77 Doctor Strange 11 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 23,488
76 78 Teen Titans 27 $3.99 02/20/19 DC 23,137
77 80 Black Panther 9 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 23,052
78 79 Titans 34 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 22,928
79 83 Star Wars Doctor Aphra 29 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 22,449
80 82 Martian Manhunter 3 $3.99 02/27/19 DC 22,431
81 74 Magic Order 6 $3.99 02/13/19 Image 22,389
82 86 Old Man Quill 2 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 21,244
83 87 Oblivion Song By Kirkman & De Felici 12 $3.99 02/13/19 Image 20,530
84 88 Supergirl 27 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 19,980
85 24 Man and Superman 100 Page Super Spectacular 1 $9.99 02/06/19 DC 19,782
86 93 Invaders 2 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 19,772
87 90 Black Panther Vs. Deadpool 5 $3.99 02/27/19 Marvel 19,699
88 89 Deathstroke 40 $3.99 02/06/19 DC 19,608
89 91 Adventures of the Super Sons 7 $3.99 02/06/19 DC 19,570
90 92 Red Hood Outlaw 31 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 19,546
91 238 True Believers Captain Marvel Ms. Marvel 1 $1.00 02/06/19 Marvel 19,512
92 94 Wolverine Long Night Adaptation 2 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 19,251
93 96 Champions 2 $3.99 02/06/19 Marvel 18,953
94 40 Marvels Annotated 1 $7.99 02/13/19 Marvel 18,921
95 95 Hawkman 9 $3.99 02/13/19 DC 18,829
96 97 Black Order 4 $3.99 02/20/19 Marvel 18,499
97 81 Marvel Comics Presents 2 $4.99 02/27/19 Marvel 18,457
98 84 Red Sonja 1 $3.99 02/06/19 Dynamite 17,985
99 101 Spider-Man Deadpool 46 $3.99 02/13/19 Marvel 17,828
100 99 Green Arrow 49 $3.99 02/06/19 DC 17,694
. . .
299 286 Young Justice 1 $4.99 01/09/19 DC 2,702
410 397 Justice League Annual 1 $4.99 01/30/19 DC 1,015
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2 Green Lantern 1 $4.99 DC 113,651
14 Green Lantern 2 $3.99 DC 64,127
18 Green Lantern 3 $3.99 DC 54,398
22 Green Lantern 4 $3.99 DC 50,176

So now GL is starting to nestle into what realistic sales are going to be for this run. Hopefully it won't go below 45k.
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Green Arrow at 17k?!?!
Why did DC ever have to mess with Ollie. He's been so unrecognizable that I just don't have the heart to read it anymore. That's a damn shame.
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Why did DC ever have to mess with Ollie. He's been so unrecognizable that I just don't have the heart to read it anymore. That's a damn shame.
It's being canceled.
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I heard. Cancelled to relaunch after a revamp of him makes some key appearances. Perhaps DC is planning on returning the character back to the only version of him that ever mattered, the O'Neil incarnation.
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Green Arrow at 17k?!?!
Why did DC ever have to mess with Ollie. He's been so unrecognizable that I just don't have the heart to read it anymore. That's a damn shame.
I've never read a Green Arrow titular book because he's one of my least favorite comic characters. However, I can see his appeal for readers who like more grounded stories, so I've been baffled as to why the success of the TV series hasn't translated to the comics. What are some of the things that have happened in recent years that have made him so unappealing to would-be readers?
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For me its that he's so unrecognizable the last few years. If you told me this Ollie Queen was the son of the real Ollie Queen I could totally believe it. It's more than changing to flashy hip costumes and getting rid of facial hair. They made him much younger and changed what had been a very well defined persona from the late 60s to about 10 years ago.

It's like they tried to match him up to the crappy Smallville and later CW Arrow version. I never in a million years would have been a fan of the character if that is what he had always been. And I have zero interest in GA before Denny O'Neil revamped him from a Batman clone. My love affair with the character is a specific take on him that lasted about 40 years, with no interest in the before or after.
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My exposure to GA is through The Longbow Hunters by Grell, Quiver by Kevin Smith and the two followup trades, one by Meltzer. Never read any New 52 but did read the Rebirth trades by Percy.

The Percy stuff I guess was the weakest, but I was enioying it.

He is a hard sell these days. I'm not big on heroes killing, but Ollie should be one of those just based on his weapons. The first couple seasons of Arrow had that and I can't even watch the show anymore.
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