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[Trey Strain]

DC should show her some much tougher love, by getting rid of her.

[Hypo]

The Wrap: ‘Batman’ Comic Writer Tom King to Co-Write ‘The New Gods’ Screenplay With Ava DuVernay

[Hypo]

Originally Posted by Hypo

The Wrap: ‘Batman’ Comic Writer Tom King to Co-Write ‘The New Gods’ Screenplay With Ava DuVernay

100% confirmed

[Big Blue Lantern]

Originally Posted by Trey Strain

DC should show her some much tougher love, by getting rid of her.

Don't hold your breath on that one. Even bigger things are in her future.

[Trey Strain]

Originally Posted by Big Blue Lantern

Don't hold your breath on that one. Even bigger things are in her future.

Your crush on her is very strange.

[Michael Heide]

I don't think it's a crush as much as DC not wanting the Justice League to be five white dudes, a European woman and a green Martian anymore in 2019. Which you might call virtue signalling or just going with the times, I don't want to open that can of worms here.
But because DC never learns that removing any of the Big 7 from the League hurts the League, instead of adding Black Canary, Zatanna, Hawkgirl, Mary Marvel or any of the non-caucasian DC characters (Black Lightning, Steel, Aztek, Dr. Light II), they think that swapping out Green Lanterns or Atoms or whatever is just as good, with the added bonus of royalties for whoever created them. It isn't. But they will never learn.

[Trey Strain]

You make a good point that DC and Marvel's pursuit of "diversity" has been pretty much about SUBSTITUTING minority characters for established majority characters. Of course that was never going to be well received, and to this day they have never figured it out.

The second part of the problem is that writers are motivated by royalties to create their own versions of established characters.

The third part is that print comics long ago stopped being a growth industry, which means that creating more and more versions of established characters is a zero-sum game, as the established characters will get less and less camera time and their fans will grow more and more alienated about it.

[Michael Heide]

It's a game you can't win. If you don't have minority characters at all, you're missing out on a lot of potential readers. If you create new roles for minority characters, nobody is going to buy those new books. If you swap out established characters for minorities, then people are going to miss the original characters.

[Big Blue Lantern]

Originally Posted by Trey Strain

Your crush on her is very strange.

I didn't think that I was going to like the character at first. She seemed to have a belabored one-note tale. But since then DC has developed her into a well-rounded character who has to balance her own inner war with the external ones of being a hero. That's why her rise has been one of the biggest positives in the last 5 years of the Green Lantern franchise. With the movie failing to spawn a sequel, GL's most heralded writer in decades gone, and the TV series cut short, there have been far too few things that are capturing mainstream attention and making new fans. She has been the exception.

Originally Posted by Michael Heide

It's a game you can't win. If you don't have minority characters at all, you're missing out on a lot of potential readers. If you create new roles for minority characters, nobody is going to buy those new books. If you swap out established characters for minorities, then people are going to miss the original characters.

I think GL is the exception to the problems that other types of stories have. As a naturally huge story with a large group of protagonists, there's always room for new characters without them being detrimental to preexisting ones. Jessica's increasing popularity isn't hindering Hal's solo renaissance.

[W.West]

Originally Posted by Michael Heide

It's a game you can't win. If you don't have minority characters at all, you're missing out on a lot of potential readers. If you create new roles for minority characters, nobody is going to buy those new books. If you swap out established characters for minorities, then people are going to miss the original characters.

WHAT?

[Mister Ed]

I wouldn't say NOBODY would buy new books about new characters, but it certainly seems a lot harder to get people to buy new books about new characters (minority or not) than to try to draw people in to established books that they were already aware of, through various means.

[Tazer]

Yo.

wow, that was FAST!!!: https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/swa...ed-1203234773/

‘Swamp Thing’ Canceled After One Season at DC Universe

Tazer

[Hypo]

Originally Posted by Tazer

Yo.

wow, that was FAST!!!: https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/swa...ed-1203234773/






Tazer

REPORT: Swamp Thing Cancellation Tied to North Carolina Accounting Error

After news broke earlier this morning regarding the cancellation of DC Universe's Swamp Thing, a new report states the real reason the plug was pulled on the live-action series comes down to an accounting error made by the state of North Carolina.

The initial report claims WarnerMedia executives did not like the direction of the show, leading them to cancel the series. However, Movies.com writer John Gholson reports North Carolina promised WarnerMedia a $40 million tax rebate that ended up getting diminished because of a paperwork error. The $40 million would have covered half of the first season's budget, which is estimated to be at $80 million.

The error also reportedly played a factor in the Season 1 production ending early back in April, with the season's episode count trimmed from 13 to 10. Once the error was discovered, WarnerMedia shut down production since the studio would be paying more for the series than it originally thought.

With North Carolina's adjusted tax break now sitting around $13 million, it doesn't make financial sense for WarnerMedia to continue producing Swamp Thing. Star News Online reported on the North Carolina accounting error in April, and followed it up with another article citing how much the state can actually commit to television filming.

[Michael Heide]

Originally Posted by W.West

WHAT?

Tell me a single new character of color at DC or Marvel whose book lasted for more than 18 issues. A single queer character who didn't take over their predecessor's role and is still around in their own title.

[W.West]

Originally Posted by Michael Heide

Tell me a single new character of color at DC or Marvel whose book lasted for more than 18 issues. A single queer character who didn't take over their predecessor's role and is still around in their own title.

Don't do that. Don't add to your comments after the fact and ask me to argue against it. Why DC? Why Marvel? Its the same pool of fans reading all these comics. Arguably the best book on the stands (when its on the stands) features both queer and minority characters and they're 1000% original. Saga is great 9/10 times its available. Also, why 18? lol


My reaction was to the thought that because it hasn't sold, means it shouldn't be sold. At the end of the day, it comes down to writing/story. If Ivan Reis is drawing Cyborg, that's awesome. More eyes on Cyborg, but if no one cares about the story, they won't care about the character.

And I'm certainly not advocating for the legacy role switch method either. It could work, but its lazy storytelling and like I said above...it comes down to story. Saying "no one is going to buy those books" is admitting its your fault. I blame you now. You should buy those books then. Because now I want to call you and anyone who agrees with that sentiment, racist. No one is going to buy a book with a minority lead? I don't like Bryan Edward Hill all that much but that's exactly the reason why I bought Michael Cray. Oh yeah, and because another book made me give a shit prior.


Instead of me telling you that there are people out there yearning for GOOD FUCKING STORIES with these minority characters, why don't you tell me something. Why don't you tell me why you think people won't buy a minority led book with a new character?

[Ωmega Man]

I really enjoyed Sideways....

[Trey Strain]

Originally Posted by Michael Heide

Tell me a single new character of color at DC or Marvel whose book lasted for more than 18 issues. A single queer character who didn't take over their predecessor's role and is still around in their own title.

It was just one of those things that got into the air and was GOING TO HAPPEN, regardless. If it hadn't been tried, then a lot of people would have kept claiming that it would have worked, if it had just been tried.

[Michael Heide]

I'm not arguing that they shouldn't be sold. They should be sold. And they should sell. I want a market that sustains Xero, and John Henry Irons (who made it all the way to #50, but also had the advantage of being launched out of the biggest Superman event ever, appearing in Man of Steel for months before launching his own spinoff), and Static, and Ryan Choi, and Jason Rusch, and Batwing, and Mr. Terrific, and Vibe (his New52 book was really great), and Katana, and Vixen, and so on. But we don't have that market, they all keep getting cancelled during their first year, or 18 months in. Cyborg gets series after series cancelled, and he is old enough to have been on Super Friends, and also he's been on the Justice League in every roster and in every medium for eight years straight.

Marvel ties their new minority characters to existing franchises (Miles Morales, Silk, Amadeus Cho, Ms Marvel, Ironheart, Shuri) or tank terribly when they don't (remember the Inhuman called Mosaic who had Deadman's powers?).

[Tazer]

Yo.

Originally Posted by W.West

Why don't you tell me why you think people won't buy a minority led book with a new character?

speaking personally, I tend to not pay much attention to books w/black characters as the MC becuz it feels like I'm SUPPOSED TO buy that book since it has them as the lead (that's partly why I didn't/don't read any Black Panther).




Tazer

[Michael Heide]

Originally Posted by W.West

Why don't you tell me why you think people won't buy a minority led book with a new character?

Because I've worked in a comic book store for over six years now.

[Trey Strain]

Minority characters should be additions, not substitutions.

Part of the problem too is that the supporting casts have been pretty much thrown away. Tom Kamalku could be updated and used well in an Earth-based GL series that starred Hal. But it would never occur to anyone at DC to do that. They think Hal needs to be in out in space and surrounded by funny-looking aliens.

[W.West]

Originally Posted by Michael Heide

Because I've worked in a comic book store for over six years now.

That's the answer to "Why do you feel that way?" not the answer to "Why do you think they wont sell?"

I'm firmly in the camp of IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME. There's nothing wrong with building up a character as a supporting role before branching off. It doesn't have to be as blatant as Silk or as long as Steel. It just has to be good. Damian Wayne is everywhere and people hated him in his initial issues.

You just have to make good content and people will support it. Or just put top selling talent on it, give it a marketing push beyond a once page blurb and two interviews online.

[Hypo]

Dwayne Johnson’s ‘Black Adam’ Finds Its Director In Jaume Collet-Serra

Originally Posted by Hypo

REPORT: Swamp Thing Cancellation Tied to North Carolina Accounting Error

‘Swamp Thing’ Cancellation Coverage Muddied By Tall Tales Of Tax Snafus

Guy Gasser, director of the North Carolina Film Office, said the report’s description of a tax-transaction trapdoor opening up under the fledgling series doesn’t match the facts. The numbers were way off, too, by citing a tax credit sum ($40 million) that not only exceeds the maximum payment per season for any production (which is $12 million), but it also exceeds the NC Film Office’s entire annual budget ($31 million).

Warner Bros. Bosses Toby Emmerich & Peter Roth On Studio Post Kevin Tsujihara In Streaming Era, Disney/Fox & Potential ‘Godzilla vs. Kong’ Move – Produced By

In regards to reviving DC on the film side in the wake of Batman vs. Superman and Justice League, Emmerich said that the trick is putting the IP in the hands of filmmakers’ visions, which is the overall creed of Warner Bros. They’re a filmmaker-driven studio.

“Great directors are the lifeblood of a studio,” said Emmerich. “But they need great producers” he added, to great cheers.

He hinted that Warner Bros. would return with its DC feature slate at San Diego Comic-Con 2020 (they’re sitting out and sending New Line’s It: Chapter 2 instead). Essentially, with three DC pics on the horizon — Todd Phillips’ R-rated Joker during the first weekend of October, Birds of Prey on Feb. 7, and Wonder Woman 1984 on June 5, 2020, they’re not ready to pop materials just yet on those movies.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

This Swamp Thing cancellation is killing me.

[Hypo]

‘SWAMP THING’: INSIDE THE DOWNFALL OF DC’S MURKY MONSTER

Sources also stress that the new leadership at WarnerMedia are very keen on doing more shows in the formulaic style of The CW’s ‘Arrow’ and ‘The Flash,’ and less shows like ‘Doom Patrol’ and ‘Swamp Thing.’