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Old 04-09-2012, 02:26 AM   #51
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Hellraiser is actually my first, for being one of the biggest misunderstood horror movies of the 80s.
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Hellraiser is actually my first, for being one of the biggest misunderstood horror movies of the 80s.
you misunderstood or are you talking about its audiance?
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I didn't misunderstand it, but there is a vocal contingent of people who hated the later Hellraiser movies because "Pinhead" was only in them for a few minutes....LOL. Granted, the later Hellraiser movies weren't great, but there problem wasn't the lack of a character who played just as small a part in the originals he did in those films. It was that 5, 6, and 7 were adapted from non-Hellraiser stories and had very little to do with the themes of the first movies.

It was all downhill for the series after the second movie.
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I didn't misunderstand it, but there is a vocal contingent of people who hated the later Hellraiser movies because "Pinhead" was only in them for a few minutes....LOL. Granted, the later Hellraiser movies weren't great, but there problem wasn't the lack of a character who played just as small a part in the originals he did in those films. It was that 5, 6, and 7 were adapted from non-Hellraiser stories and had very little to do with the themes of the first movies.

It was all downhill for the series after the second movie.
i loved the first 2

everything else afterwards was just garbage imo

same with saw for that matter

first 3 were great but i refuse to see the 4 other ones that came after it
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I really like the first Hellraiser film. I even like the 2nd. From 3 onward though they start with garbage and get progressively worse. Seeing the franchise wither on the vine of straight to DVD movies makes a mercy killing too little too late.

The thing is, when discussing horror movies with my friends, I've always maintained that above any other horror movie, the first Hellraiser would benefit from a well funded remake. Remakes more often than not turn out badly, but this is a case where it could be justified. There is a LOT of imagination in this movie that is restricted by the time it was made and the money they spent on it. A movie about a mongoloid killing camp counselors isn't going to change a change enormously with more money and technological advances, but cenobites bring pleasure and pain from hell to Earth sure can.
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The saw movies are pure torture porn but you gotta hand it to them with their ability to weave the story thru seven movies and fill in a little bit of backstory of jigsaw in everyone until it all comes full circle with very few of any reasons.
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The Hitchiker was great BTW. I still holds up. Never bothered with the remake.
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I really like the first Hellraiser film. I even like the 2nd. From 3 onward though they start with garbage and get progressively worse. Seeing the franchise wither on the vine of straight to DVD movies makes a mercy killing too little too late.

The thing is, when discussing horror movies with my friends, I've always maintained that above any other horror movie, the first Hellraiser would benefit from a well funded remake. Remakes more often than not turn out badly, but this is a case where it could be justified. There is a LOT of imagination in this movie that is restricted by the time it was made and the money they spent on it. A movie about a mongoloid killing camp counselors isn't going to change a change enormously with more money and technological advances, but cenobites bring pleasure and pain from hell to Earth sure can.
well a hellraiser remake is being written as we speak

i just think the horror genre is dead honestly

maybe its just me but i think its pretty damn hard to try to recapture something that was basicly original

take nightmare on elm street for example

imo i believe they showed freddy way to much because in the original he was more like a shadowy type of killer
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The saw movies are pure torture porn but you gotta hand it to them with their ability to weave the story thru seven movies and fill in a little bit of backstory of jigsaw in everyone until it all comes full circle with very few of any reasons.
Fuck the naysayers...I LOVE the Saw series. The first 6 were great and I'll defend them until the end of time. The 7th one was fucking horrible, but with a great last reel and wrap up to the series. I own the special editions of all of them, and am still hoping for a nice boxset with more special features to buy.
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We have a lot of modern horror fans on this forum. We can easily maintain 7 or 8 conversations simultaneously on this thread methinks.
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I never saw the original but I liked the remake to the last house on the left.
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i just think the horror genre is dead honestly
Never say die.

The genre is cyclical. People always say it's dead, then suddenly it comes back with new life. All it takes are new young film makers, and new hooks. Torture porn was big for a while, and went away. Same with slasher movies. In a few years it'll come back with something else.
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I never saw the original but I liked the remake to the last house on the left.
i didnt see either version so is that a recomendation?
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Both versions of Last House On The Left are good and worth watching. I haven't seen the original since I was a kid,so maybe it doesn't hold up as well as I think it does, but just check it out.
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Both versions of Last House On The Left are good and worth watching.
ok ill look into them saturday


also i wish they can make one battle royal film to determine who is the best horror villain


freddy


jason


pinhead

meyers

throw them all into one film and let them go at it for 2 hours
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Ehh...Freddy Vs Jason? Classic. Adding more monsters to the movie would just kill it. It was a matchup made in heaven and it's time has come and gone. Any more attempts would be like the AvP movies. Terrible.
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Ehh...Freddy Vs Jason? Classic. Adding more monsters to the movie would just kill it. It was a matchup made in heaven and it's time has come and gone. Any more attempts would be like the AvP movies. Terrible.
well they did want to add a scene to freddy vs jason involving fighting in hell with pinhead breaking them up

to bad they couldnt throw that into the dvd
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The thing is, when discussing horror movies with my friends, I've always maintained that above any other horror movie, the first Hellraiser would benefit from a well funded remake.
My main fear about a remake is it would probably focus on flashy effects and try to recapture the slasher image they tried to create for the cenobites with the 3rd and 4th movies. I also really hate this TV show idea they are tossing around, as well.

The first movie, and the original novella 'The Hellbound Heart", wasn't so much about the cenobites as it was the shit that floats around in the human heart. The less is more approach of the 80's version was just flashy enough to make gore-hounds happy, but low key enough that it didn't overshadow the story- which really was what set Hellraiser apart from other horror movies of it's time.

@Mr Weirdo, the Hitcher remake wasn't great, and it doesn't hold a candle to the first. But it did have a few good moments worth at least one watch.
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Hellraiser is actually my first, for being one of the biggest misunderstood horror movies of the 80s.
I think the biggest misunderstanding is grouping it with slashers. People want to add Pinhead in the same category as Michael, Jason, and Freddy but at least the first Hellraiser wasn't anything like that.

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He was really cool. Normally at conventions I'm in the chair for all the walking but I tell the people I can walk and stand for a photo. Romero didn't even wait. He just got up and bent down to the floor. Very nice man.

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We have a lot of modern horror fans on this forum. We can easily maintain 7 or 8 conversations simultaneously on this thread methinks.
More than I realized. Should've started this sooner.

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Never say die.
The genre is cyclical. People always say it's dead, then suddenly it comes back with new life...
Personally, I don't mind when it's more underground. I don't need there to be 10 mainstream horror movies out every week. It's not fully gone yet, anyway, there's usually at least one horror movie playing at my multiplex.

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Both versions of Last House On The Left are good and worth watching. I haven't seen the original since I was a kid,so maybe it doesn't hold up as well as I think it does, but just check it out.
Stephen King wrote an excellent 2-part article for Fangoria a few years ago on the status of modern horror cinema. He cites these 2 interestingly. He argues very forcibly for the remake over the first saying the 1st is all torture porn (sadistic voyeurism) while the remake has a real plot and meaningful revenge. I don't know if I completely discount the original (made with the combined forces of Friday 13th's Cunningham and Nightmare's Craven), but I think he might be right.

I actually have the original but that's because back when I got it (before Netflix) no place would rent this movie!

BTW: Last House itself is a "remake" of a 1960 Swedish film called The Virgin Spring.
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No, it's a great thriller with a twist at the end .
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The Original Last House of the Left was disturbing for me the first time I saw it. I rented it from a video store on vhs when I was a teenager expecting a pretty normal Wes Craven film and what I got instead was a student film where Wes Craven was not worrying about appealing to or making anyone happy. I saw the remake and truthfully I think it was pretty toned down compared to the original.
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pumpkin head 2 blood wings scared me shitless


expecially when the old lady wakes up in the hospital and explains pumpkin head


the one movie i did enjoy by rob zombie was a house of 1000 corpses
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