Heroes in Crisis Thread (SPOILERS)

[Michael Heide]

It's finally starting to pick up. And that double page spread that hid the title of the book in the art was amazing.

[Ωmega Man]

I liked the one from the previous issue as well.

[buffalorock]

I am having trouble following this series, I am definitely not familiar with a few of the confessionals.

I am also pretty conflicted with the story, while I applaud King for trying to tackle a new subject, it makes for a depressing read.

While I plan on finishing this series because I can be a completionist, it has been hard. At least things are starting to move with issue 5.

Do you think any lantern characters are going to show up? I can see each of them having a nice confessional moment. Or hell, investigate the crime scene with Bruce and Barry (though I think that ship sailed).

I can't remember if Ollie has made an appearance yet.

[Space Cop]

^Someone said there was a GL uniform on one of the corpses in issue 1 or 2 or whatever that was. I didn't notice and didn't go back. Whether a GL will be important to the story in the final issues? Who knows? It's a JL story, so I'd give it a 1/3 chance. If that's the only thing keeping you reading, I'd say drop it. Someone on this board will mention GL activity if it comes up.



I don't think there are many fans that could name and describe every character that's appeared. Many are purposely C-listers.

As far as the plot, I don't find it anywhere nearly as confusing as the recent Metal story (and the followups). I lost that plot early on and didn't feel like going back to re-read stuff. As far as I take it, there is a safe have called Sanctuary, but it was "impossibly" breached (and revealed in the process) and all signs point to Booster or Harley being guilty, though both think they're not (but could be crazy).



The latest twist was that Booster found out Wally had time traveled (or been pulled in time) before his death. But what that means has not been revealed.

[Ωmega Man]

Originally Posted by Space Cop

^Someone said there was a GL uniform on one of the corpses in issue 1 or 2 or whatever that was. I didn't notice and didn't go back. Whether a GL will be important to the story in the final issues? Who knows? It's a JL story, so I'd give it a 1/3 chance. If that's the only thing keeping you reading, I'd say drop it. Someone on this board will mention GL activity if it comes up.

I don't think there are many fans that could name and describe every character that's appeared. Many are purposely C-listers.

As far as the plot, I don't find it anywhere nearly as confusing as the recent Metal story (and the followups). I lost that plot early on and didn't feel like going back to re-read stuff.

Originally Posted by Ωmega Man

So... among the dead so far we've got [assuming all the people on the last page are in fact victims and not just red herrings]....

Arsenal - aka Speedy; former sidekick of Green Arrow.
Flash (Wally) - ginger-haired pre-reboot sidekick of Barry and former Flash.
Blue Jay - shrinking member of the late 80's early 90's JL spin-off teams.
Hot Spot - aka Joto; former Jurgens era Titan. Recently seen in Sideways.
Lagoon Boy - former aquatic member of the classic Young Justice.
Commander Steel - this version of the character was from JL Detroit.
Gunfire - failed 90's era hero that was everything wrong with the 90's.
Tattooed Man II - One of the many reimagined takes on GL villains by Johns.
Gnarkk - caveman member of the Teen Titans.
Red Devil - aka Kid Devil; former Teen Titan and sidekick of Blue Devil.
Protector - barely a Titans member, stand in for Robin in the 80's anti-drug comics.
Poison Ivy - Batman villain, everybody should know her at least LOL
Solstice - Teen Titan both pre and post reboot who's powers altered between continuities.
Nemesis - Chameleon type character who can change his appearance, I know the least about this guy.

That's already 14 bodies and we know there's still a GL yet to be identified. So some of the people in robes in issue #1 seen from Superman's aerial POV were in fact patients or there were just more off panel.

I went into more detail about the characters. It should be noted within the current DCU landscape, HiC happens before Aquaman/Justice League Drowned Earth as Tempest has been seen drinking and mourning over Roy's death. [BUT NOT WALLY!!] Still bet our speedster is alive...

The GL was seen under Superman's arm in the panel. It's also unknown who the giant wings belonged to, because Blue Jay didn't even get wings until he turned small.



I also COMPLETELY agree with the METAL comparison. I had no idea what Snyder was trying to do with it until the story was almost over then it made more sense. It was hard to follow no matter where you jumped in from. I do kinda wish he'd be the one to write the ongoing Hawkman title that was always going to spin out of the event. That's not saying it's not entertaining now, but Snyder could've been one Batman cameo away from making Hawkman a top 10 character.

[Space Cop]

^Thanks for that capture and info. BTW: in this week's Batman, Bruce and Barry talk about Wally's death specifically in relation to the fall of Sanctuary.

[buffalorock]

Thank you guys for your insight.

I also thought Metal was a bit too much. I loved the art, and some of the broad strokes of the story, but there were too many "huh? ok then" moments for me. I like most of Snyder's work but his newer superhero stuff I personally do not find that appealing.

I have a feeling there will be a lot in the last issue or two of HiC. We're over halfway and the little hints so far haven't amounted to much, though things obviously are not as they seem.

I highly doubt it was Harley, Booster, or Wally. Wally seems plausible but I just don't think DC is that stupid, unless they need a new Parallax.

[Space Cop]

Originally Posted by buffalorock

Thank you guys for your insight.

I also thought Metal was a bit too much. I loved the art, and some of the broad strokes of the story, but there were too many "huh? ok then" moments for me. I like most of Snyder's work but his newer superhero stuff I personally do not find that appealing.

Yeah, I'm getting sick of the "this is the secret thing behind the secret thing behind the universe."

Originally Posted by buffalorock

I highly doubt it was Harley, Booster, or Wally. Wally seems plausible but I just don't think DC is that stupid, unless they need a new Parallax.

Agreed. If Booster went rogue, there would be some seriously pissed fanboys out there and at this point, Harley is too valuable as an antihero to be back on the league's rogues gallery permanently. Plus, if that were the point, it probably wouldn't still be a mystery. The fact that it is, shows there's stuff to be revealed yet.

[Ωmega Man]

Originally Posted by Space Cop

^Thanks for that capture and info. BTW: in this week's Batman, Bruce and Barry talk about Wally's death specifically in relation to the fall of Sanctuary.

I read that and it seemed to be taking place during the events of HiC rather than before or after. Batman was about to perform an autopsy on Wally before walking away....

[buffalorock]

We are now two thirds done with the series, plus a four issue tie-in.

Not much has happened to advance the story, though I guess the story isn't really the point?

I guess the point is to show that heroes have problems? I don't think that is as compelling as it sounded before reading the 6 issues.

I will finish the series out, but not very eagerly.

[Ωmega Man]

Issue #6 just confused me in areas and didn't shed anymore light on the present. More Gnarkk than anybody gnarkking asked for. From HQ's point of view it looks like she was visiting Ivy then saw Booster kill Wally. We need to know how Ivy was killed to know if it was Booster or Harley if either of them.

Aside from the robot corpses of the Ma and Pa Kent lookalikes we haven't seen a robot getting dissected or anything. You'd think we'd have seen something on those other robots by now, even in a throwaway panel.

[Space Cop]

Originally Posted by Ωmega Man

Issue #6 just confused me in areas and didn't shed anymore light on the present.

Well, Harley's ruled out since she was just talking with Ivy when the alarm sounded and walked into the already-occuring destruction. So, at the very least, she couldn't have started the problem.

More signs point to Booster, but that will probably be misleading.

Originally Posted by Ωmega Man

More Gnarkk than anybody gnarkking asked for. . .

Oh, come on! It's worth it to have a naked caveman lying on a mammoth corpse quoting Keats.

[Andrew NDB]

Is Wally going to come back?

[Michael Heide]

King said that whoever died in #1 will remain dead, but I've been lied to by writers before.

[Space Cop]

Originally Posted by Michael Heide

King said that whoever died in #1 will remain dead, but I've been lied to by writers before.

Plus "remain dead" is pretty flexible at DC (or any comic company). I think they technically say Clark, Bruce, Hal, Barry, Damian, etc all remained dead . . . until they didn't. As long as they go a month officially dead, they're good.

[Michael Heide]

I think the implication was that they won't return within the pages of Heroes in Crisis itself.

[Space Cop]

Originally Posted by Michael Heide

I think the implication was that they won't return within the pages of Heroes in Crisis itself.

Well, as mentioned below, it affected the recent Batman/Flash crossover, but that doesn't mean it will still be the case in a couple months.

[Trey Strain]

Tom King also said that Batman was going to marry Catwoman.

[Space Cop]

Originally Posted by Trey Strain

Tom King also said that Batman was going to marry Catwoman.

Which was disappointing, imho. They had also built up Arthur to marry Mera and cancelled that. DC really does seem anti-marriage with the one bone to the fans being the retcon merging old and new Lois + Clark.

[Michael Heide]

And Animal Man.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Space Cop

They had also built up Arthur to marry Mera and cancelled that.

Wait... so they got married in the comics, New52 happened and it was kind of nebulous if they were still married, then Rebirth restored the old continuity... and now they're unmarried for sure, thinking about marriage?

[Space Cop]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Wait... so they got married in the comics, New52 happened and it was kind of nebulous if they were still married, then Rebirth restored the old continuity... and now they're unmarried for sure, thinking about marriage?

Something like that. I also assumed they were married and she was referred to as the queen (apparently a queen consort), but then suddenly they talked about them being engaged. Then a bunch of stuff happened that led to Mera taking rule in Atlantis and Arthur left without marrying her for the greater good or something. Now, he's somewhere else with amnesia and I've stopped reading.

Originally Posted by Michael Heide

And Animal Man.

Even Buddy? The whole thing that made him unique back in Vertigo days was that he was an average family man (married with children) and a superhero on the side.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Space Cop

Something like that. I also assumed they were married and she was referred to as the queen (apparently a queen consort), but then suddenly they talked about them being engaged. Then a bunch of stuff happened that led to Mera taking rule in Atlantis and Arthur left without marrying her for the greater good or something. Now, he's somewhere else with amnesia and I've stopped reading.

Sounds like a hot fucking mess. I'm assuming the baby they had that Black Manta killed never existed, then? Or did it?

[Space Cop]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Sounds like a hot fucking mess. I'm assuming the baby they had that Black Manta killed never existed, then? Or did it?

I guess retconned out. At least I didn't come across any recent references.

[Trey Strain]

Batman's sales have dropped lately. I think the Catwoman fiasco has something to do with that.