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Old 10-07-2011, 12:30 PM   #1
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I figured a few ppl here might find this interesting: http://www.screened.com/news/behind-...-edition/2917/






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Old 10-07-2011, 12:58 PM   #2
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Awesome. This reminds me of Adywan's Star Wars Revisited project, which is sadly on hiatus right now.
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This is cool. Lucas would make a ton of money if he'd release the OT untouched on Blu.
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It's cool. I'd still want the SE though. It's STAR Wars, all the added stuff is cool. Backgrounds and aliens and whatnot.

That one scene in Episode IV, the one on the Death Star with Han running away from the room full of Stormtroopers? How can one say it works better with just two or three 'troopers making Han turn and run? LOL, for me it makes much more sense that he turns when he sees the room, as opposed to him running from a couple of 'em.

The Cloud City scene, the same. You see the sky and it just works better.

The project sounds cool, though. Can they sell the dvd's? How will this work? How can they release it and try to profit off of it without getting sued?
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The thing about blu is that Lucas could release the unaltered copy and his super special mega blow your mind edition on the same disc and still have room.
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This is cool. Lucas would make a ton of money if he'd release the OT untouched on Blu.
Not really.
If the classic version and the extended version are on Blu Ray, no one will buy the classic except people who are film historians or hardcore fans.
And they're no market to sell to.
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Not really.
If the classic version and the extended version are on Blu Ray, no one will buy the classic except people who are film historians or hardcore fans.
And they're no market to sell to.
I should have clarified. If he would include the unaltered OT on the Blu Rays that have his "special editions" he would make more money.
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Not really.
If the classic version and the extended version are on Blu Ray, no one will buy the classic except people who are film historians or hardcore fans.
And they're no market to sell to.
considering the number of ppl Im seeing that have an interest in this, Im betting there *IS* a market (albeit, not a particularly LARGE one........)




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I should have clarified. If he would include the unaltered OT on the Blu Rays that have his "special editions" he would make more money.
The money it would take to transfer and translate over the original film prints(if they still exist) to blu-ray would be too high to just add on as a special feature.
And Lucasfilm(Not Lucas mind you) would be more willing if it wasn't for the fact that the Laserdisc rips didn't help sell the 2004 SE any better before.

Remember, this is business. Not the Criterion collection, or the National Film Registry.

Now, if you wanna take the case to the National Film Registry, which has inducted not the Special Editions, but the originals into their catalog, to make the originals more widely available, that'd be something different.
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The original film prints still exist. Lucas has claimed they don't, but that's a lie. The Digital Bits and High Def Digest have both called him out on that; Lucasfilm is very aware of how films are preserved, and you don't do that by destroying the source material.
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I don't see why everyone gets so worked up.

Just watch the SE and when the parts that you don't like come up just close your eyes.

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The original versions are available on DVD. That's enough for me.
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Yeah, but they're in those annoying boxes. All I want is the proper aspect ratio. Them, I'm happy.
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The original versions are available on DVD. That's enough for me.
Me too.

I've never gotten all that worked up about the additions.
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Yeah, but they're in those annoying boxes. All I want is the proper aspect ratio. Them, I'm happy.
Indeed, and they're very poor transfers, too.
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Indeed, and they're very poor transfers, too.
Yep. Really, how hard would it be to just clean them up without all the added crap?
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Me too.

I've never gotten all that worked up about the additions.
Here, here. I'm pretty sure I said this in some other thread, but I bought all the original VHS tapes, the THX VHS tapes, The special edition DVD's, and now the Blu-Rays. I approach it with the mindset that "an artist's work is never finished; merely abandoned." Well, I think Lucas is cool to re-visit his art and touch it up every now and again. I still have the originals, and I have all the later editions, so I will watch whenever and whatever I want.
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Here, here. I'm pretty sure I said this in some other thread, but I bought all the original VHS tapes, the THX VHS tapes, The special edition DVD's, and now the Blu-Rays. I approach it with the mindset that "an artist's work is never finished; merely abandoned." Well, I think Lucas is cool to re-visit his art and touch it up every now and again. I still have the originals, and I have all the later editions, so I will watch whenever and whatever I want.
That's a good way to look at it.

I always find it funny when people complain about the changes. Just watch the movies and enjoy them.

Or don't.
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Here, here. I'm pretty sure I said this in some other thread, but I bought all the original VHS tapes, the THX VHS tapes, The special edition DVD's, and now the Blu-Rays. I approach it with the mindset that "an artist's work is never finished; merely abandoned." Well, I think Lucas is cool to re-visit his art and touch it up every now and again. I still have the originals, and I have all the later editions, so I will watch whenever and whatever I want.
But Lucas isn't the artist of ESB OR ROTJ. Lucas has gone on record stating that a director's work shouldn't be touched by anyone except the director. Lucas directed Star Wars which became A New Hope. Lucas didn't direct Empire or Return. They were directed by the late Irvin Kershner and the late Richard Marquard.


Did I mention he's a hypocrite?
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But Lucas isn't the artist of ESB OR ROTJ. Lucas has gone on record stating that a director's work shouldn't be touched by anyone except the director. Lucas directed Star Wars which became A New Hope. Lucas didn't direct Empire or Return. They were directed by the late Irvin Kershner and the late Richard Marquard.


Did I mention he's a hypocrite?
(note: linked because the forum is an asshole.)
http://blog.iamkuhan.com/2011/10/09/...-george-lucas/
Then the answer is simple for you- don't buy any of the special editions, just stick with the originals, which are available on dvd. I have my point of view, you have yours. I'm not negating what you say, I just don't agree with it. To each their own.
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I'm on the other side, but agree. I'm fine with him doing his super-dooper 25% more CGI features IF he'd just release a decent transfer of the originals.
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But Lucas isn't the artist of ESB OR ROTJ. Lucas has gone on record stating that a director's work shouldn't be touched by anyone except the director. Lucas directed Star Wars which became A New Hope. Lucas didn't direct Empire or Return. They were directed by the late Irvin Kershner and the late Richard Marquard.


Did I mention he's a hypocrite?
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It was 25 years ago. A man can change his mind. Let it go already, everytime someone brings up star wars someone has to mention that damn testimony.

Since he owns the brand he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it and we can't do shit about it.
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Actually, I would like to re-phrase my response to Kuhan because it came of incredibly cunty, and that was definitely not the intention.

Basically, what I'm getting at is that we have choices. You can like or dislike or feel neither about anything in the world. Star Wars in general has been such a focal point in my life- from when I was 2 right on to now (36) that I tend to see it grow as I grow; moving in different directions, sometimes not always the right way, and sometimes it goes "Wow!" in direction, and everyone has a choice about how they feel on that.

I understand what Kuhan is saying from a "George, this is what you said before" thing, however, I tend to view the directors of ESB an ROTJ as more...."figure heads" directors. At the end of the day, it's still Lucas' property and his vision and they more or less swayed the frame to the current of the story. Don't get me wrong- ESB was fucking brilliant and Kirshner's direction of the story is a milestone in cinema; ROTJ not so much but satisfying, but it's got Lucas written all over it.

Ironic, but to boil things down, everyone has "a certain point of view".
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