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  • #16
    Originally posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
    Not necessarily... they just need to have some more thought put into them. Any character or organization is pointless if it's primary purpose is only opposition to a protagonist. That's why characters like Atomic Skull, Calendar Man or Goldface haven't gained the popularity and acclaim of characters like Lex Luthor, The Joker or Sinestro.

    As long as there's going to be a Red Lantern Corps I would desperately LOVE to see some kind of explanation for why they follow the same "sector protocol" as the GLC. Are Red Lantern Rings just as difficult to create as Green Lantern Rings? Who makes them? Who guides their actions? Is there a hierarchy? Who established it?

    It's really not that difficult a concept but fanboys love to make excuses for lazy writing because it tickles their OCD Nerd Nodes just the right way.

    "RED Lantern Corps? BLUE Lantern Corps? SWEEEET!!! MORE TOYS!!!"



    There's been plenty of time. It would take all of three pages in any one book to lay out the groundwork that we're talking about.



    Neither of which was established to be a separate "Corps" with tech and protocol based on the Oans and Green Lanterns. Yellow was chosen for Sinestro because Yellow was the weakness in Green Lantern Rings.

    Star Sapphire was a way to fuck around with Hal Jordan's girlfriend.



    "They"? Who is the "They" of the Sinestro Corps? Sinestro? The Anti-Monitor? Superboy Prime? We have no idea because nobody bothered to think about it or if they did they never bothered to tell anybody about it. The Sinestro Corps just showed up one day ready to kill the GLC and make a lot of vague references to an old Alan Moore story.

    As for the Zamarons.... there are so many fucking retcons of their story that nothing definitive can be said about them anymore.



    Again... you're back to the idea of destroying the GLC. Let's say the Red Lantern Corps succeeded (even tho Attrocitus is the only one who should really care about that particular goal)... THEN WHAT? Why do the Red Lantern Corps exist? Just for individual revenge? Then wouldn't it be far more fascinating if the Red Lantern Ring LEFT the wearer after they got their revenge? Why one per sector? If the Red Lanterns are turned into the mindless puking monsters we've seen then why would you expect them to maintain those boundaries? Especially when their primary motivation seems to be killing Sinestro and the GLC? And they travel in a huge pack most of the time...

    And how many Blue Lanterns are there anyway? 3? 4? What happened to Odym? Why the fuck is Ganthet a Green Lantern anyway?

    Questions questions questions.
    Questions questions questions lead to stories stories stories. Plus we did not get a lot of time to flesh out each Corps, Sinestro got introduce then a War, Secret Origins to introduce Atro, Rage of the Red Lantern, Blue gets introduced, Orange gets introduced, Violet gets introduced, Blackest Night-Black/Indigo/White get introduced, Brightest Day/Krona stealing Entities, and then War of the Green Lanterns. Almost non-stop BIG arcs in both GL and GLC, DC really lost a great spot with Emerald Warriors-that should have furthered the Guy infected with Red story but Blue Kyle fixed that. Now with Red Lanterns and New Guardians we should be getting some of those answers. Hopefully they are good ones not like Blue Lantern and Alan Scott/Jade...let down...
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Gl Josh View Post
      Questions questions questions lead to stories stories stories. Plus we did not get a lot of time to flesh out each Corps, Sinestro got introduce then a War, Secret Origins to introduce Atro, Rage of the Red Lantern, Blue gets introduced, Orange gets introduced, Violet gets introduced, Blackest Night-Black/Indigo/White get introduced, Brightest Day/Krona stealing Entities, and then War of the Green Lanterns. Almost non-stop BIG arcs in both GL and GLC, DC really lost a great spot with Emerald Warriors-that should have furthered the Guy infected with Red story but Blue Kyle fixed that. Now with Red Lanterns and New Guardians we should be getting some of those answers. Hopefully they are good ones not like Blue Lantern and Alan Scott/Jade...let down...
      Let's do an experiment.

      Describe the Green Lantern Corps and what it does in two paragraphs or less.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
        Let's do an experiment.

        Describe the Green Lantern Corps and what it does in two paragraphs or less.
        The green lantern corps is a protection force that uses alien tech rings that can create things out of hard light. There is a lantern asigned to one sector of 3600 sectors. They protect people from danger.

        Good enough for you?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by HalJordan15 View Post
          The green lantern corps is a protection force that uses alien tech rings that can create things out of hard light. There is a lantern asigned to one sector of 3600 sectors. They protect people from danger.

          Good enough for you?
          Excellent.

          Now do the exact same thing for each of the other 6 Corps.

          EDIT : WITHOUT mentioning the Green Lantern Corps or the Guardians of the Universe.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
            Excellent.

            Now do the exact same thing for each of the other 6 Corps.

            EDIT : WITHOUT mentioning the Green Lantern Corps or the Guardians of the Universe.
            If i had my way, I´d make the SC into space Al Queda. It would make much more sense.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
              Excellent.

              Now do the exact same thing for each of the other 6 Corps.

              EDIT : WITHOUT mentioning the Green Lantern Corps or the Guardians of the Universe.
              That's pretty much impossible with the Sinestro Corps and the Red Lanterns, both of which were made to destroy the GLC as part of their mandate. At least initially.

              Don't see what's the big problem with any of them. Nitpicking plot points in comic books is like shooting chickens in a henhoue.

              Here's a good question that has always been a plot hole: why do GLs choose to even be a part of the Corps when they don't even earn minimum wage from very dangerous work?
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              • #22
                That pretty much proves Naysay's point. All the other corps hinge upon the GLC's existence. To tell their origin, mission statement, etc they need to invoke the Green Lanterns. They're all carbon copies. The only exception is MAYBE the Star Saphires. And even then they were revamped to be yet another GLC doppleganger.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Dave Cormier View Post
                  That pretty much proves Naysay's point. All the other corps hinge upon the GLC's existence. To tell their origin, mission statement, etc they need to invoke the Green Lanterns. They're all carbon copies. The only exception is MAYBE the Star Saphires. And even then they were revamped to be yet another GLC doppleganger.
                  And ... so what?

                  They srpung from the GL well ... of course they all hinge on GL. Just like Supergirl or Superboy hinge on Superman. Or all those Batmen and Robins all hinge off Batman.

                  All I'm seeing is nitpicking plot points. Nitpicking plot points in a GL book has always been easy.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Gauntlet101010 View Post
                    That's pretty much impossible with the Sinestro Corps and the Red Lanterns, both of which were made to destroy the GLC as part of their mandate. At least initially.

                    Don't see what's the big problem with any of them. Nitpicking plot points in comic books is like shooting chickens in a henhoue.

                    Here's a good question that has always been a plot hole: why do GLs choose to even be a part of the Corps when they don't even earn minimum wage from very dangerous work?
                    Really? You didn't get it?

                    Well then let me answer your final question... because it's the core value of The Green Lantern Corps and The Guardians of the Universe and fuck... MOST "Heroes"....

                    ALTRUISM.

                    We're not nitpicking here. We're dealing with the simplest fucking pieces of what makes a story. THEME. MOTIVATION.

                    The Green Lantern Corps (The Protagonists) are ALTRUISTS.

                    The Sinestro Corps (The Antagonists) are..... well... what are they other than antagonists???

                    Why do they exist? If the only reason is "To defeat the Green Lantern Corps!" then they might as well be zombies or vampires or Black Lanterns or any other nameless and faceless horde.

                    Originally posted by Dave Cormier View Post
                    That pretty much proves Naysay's point.
                    Thank you!

                    Originally posted by Gauntlet101010 View Post
                    And ... so what?

                    They srpung from the GL well ... of course they all hinge on GL. Just like Supergirl or Superboy hinge on Superman. Or all those Batmen and Robins all hinge off Batman.

                    All I'm seeing is nitpicking plot points. Nitpicking plot points in a GL book has always been easy.
                    Superboy "sprung" from Superman... but he has his own identity, his own motivations, his own existence. If Superman died (again) we know exactly what Superboy would do the next day. He'd wake up, put on whatever ridiculous costume he had and he'd go fight Super Crime.

                    If the Sinestro Corps got their way and the Green Lantern Corps was destroyed....

                    What would they do the day after that? And why would they do it?

                    These shouldn't be hard questions to answer and asking them shouldn't be considered "nitpicking".

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                    • #25
                      Alturism isn't good enough if you really think about it. You can have alturistic reasons for being a soldier or a cop, but both of those professions pay you so you can also live your life and support your family.

                      But if alturism is a good enough reason to join the GLC then being sadistic isn't a good enough reason to join the Sinners ... why?

                      So you honestly don't remember why Sinestro formed the Sinestro Corps? (Or at least the reason he gave them.) Really? Or are you just being facitious?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Dr. Naysay View Post
                        Excellent.

                        Now do the exact same thing for each of the other 6 Corps.

                        EDIT : WITHOUT mentioning the Green Lantern Corps or the Guardians of the Universe.
                        I can do that, just give me a few minutes.
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                        • #27
                          Well what WOULD the red or yellow lanterns do if the GLC was destroyed, mission accomplished? Rule the universe with an iron fist? Turn on each other? Do both of them think they would be serving the universe by their methods? Hell, at least I could SEE the Sin corps wanting to control everything, but what about the reds? Would they just disband?

                          You know what they ought to do with the red book? (other than cancel it before it starts, we don't have time for rational solutions) Hitting on an idea posted above, what if the lifespan of a red lantern was only as long as it took to get the revenge they were seeking? That when they killed the being they were so angry at, the ring would give a "mission acomplished" like the white ring did and fly off the ring bearer's hand, killing him or her. Then it would go on to find a new, temporary owner.

                          Then you could do a whole bunch or EC style horror/revenge style comics, complete with ironic twist endings. I'm sure that's ALREADY more thought put into the concept than DC has so far.

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                          • #28
                            So Dr. Naysay you said in Two Paragraphs or less right? without any mention of the GLC or GotU here you go:

                            Red Lanterns: the Red Lantern Corps is fueled by the light of rage, and its ring-wielders roam the galaxy seeking violent retribution. Red Lanterns use their blood as their primary weapon. Their blood, supercharged by the harnessed red light of hate, functions much like napalm but on a far more powerful level. Red Lanterns are capable of creating energy constructs. Many either choose not to or do not realize they can, though. The enraged mental states of Red Lanterns tend to leave them focusing on blood-related or physical attacks rather than the use of energy constructs.

                            Orange Lantern: Fueled by the Orange Light of Avarice, the Orange Lantern Corps is dominated by Agent Orange, who jealously guards his power against all others. The rest of the corps is populated by the stolen essences of other beings given form as avatars through the orange light.

                            Sinestro Corps: The Sinestro Corps wields the power of the yellow light of fear out of the emotional spectrum. Members are chosen throughout the universe for their ability to instill great fear, leading to an army of nightmarish creatures wielding power rings. Serial killers, torturers, mass murderers, criminals. These are the beings who comprise the Sinestro Corps. Founded by Sinestro, the Corps seeks to bring order to the universe through fear and oppression.


                            Blue Lantern Corps: Powered by the Blue Light of Hope, the Blue Lantern Corps has been tasked with bringing Hope to a desperate Universe, to see it through the dark times that lie ahead. Protocol in the Blue Lantern Corps has the newest member select the next candidate for the corps. So Saint Walker chose Brother Warth who in turn chose Brother Hymn. Brother Hymn selected Sister Sercy to join, Sister Sercy being the newest member will select the next person to join the Blue Lantern Corps.


                            Indigo Lantern Tribe: The Indigo Tribe wield staff lanterns powered by the Indigo Light of Compassion. Their powers are demonstrated by their ability to channel the emotional energy of other Lanterns through their staffs, such as willpower, fear, and even the black rings, in what can only be describe as an extreme form of empathy.

                            Star Sapphire Corps: Using the Violet Light of Love and led by the Zamarons, the Star Sapphire Corps plans to change the hearts of the universe. They are capable of intergalactic travel, surviving inhabitable environments such as exposed space and creating energy construct. Their more unique abilities include encasing beings within violet crystals. Beings within these crystals are kept in stasis and psychically bombarded with thoughts of love. This is the primary means the Star Sapphire Corps uses to forcibly rehabilitate violent beings.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Gauntlet101010 View Post
                              Alturism isn't good enough if you really think about it. You can have alturistic reasons for being a soldier or a cop, but both of those professions pay you so you can also live your life and support your family.

                              But if alturism is a good enough reason to join the GLC then being sadistic isn't a good enough reason to join the Sinners ... why?
                              Being a sadist is a perfectly reasonable motivation for JOINING the Sinestro Corps... and during the Sinestro Corps we saw multiple characters with multiple differing motivations. That's what made The Sinestro Corps War succeed where the rest of the Corps, in my opinion, fail to be interesting.

                              Hank Henshaw wanted to die.
                              Superboy Prime wanted revenge on the Anti Monitor.
                              The Anti-Monitor wanted to do his Anti-Monitor thing.
                              Ranx wanted revenge for his humiliation.
                              And so on and so forth....

                              But here's the thing....

                              The Sinestro Corps lost that war. Their Central Power Battery blowed up, The Anti-Monitor "died", Superman Prime "died", Hank Henshaw "died" and Sinestro got locked up.

                              So.... why would a group of psychopaths maintain an organized structure if their only motivation was sadism? When their rings weren't (or shouldn't) have been recharging... why would they bother meeting to fight over control of their "Corps"? What motivates a bunch of individual sadists to follow orders and maintain militaristic behavior?

                              Which brings us to Sinestro...


                              So you honestly don't remember why Sinestro formed the Sinestro Corps? (Or at least the reason he gave them.) Really? Or are you just being facitious?
                              The way I saw it... he created the Corps as a giant ruse to force the Green Lantern Corps to become "stronger" and more in line with his vision of how they should operate.

                              Which makes total sense and is a fairly brilliant take on the character.

                              But I'm not criticizing the use of Sinestro and presumably he never ran that plan by the Sinestro Corps. So... if he's got the rings all jiggered up so that he can kill Mongul in a fight, and he's seen that the Green Lantern Corps has begun to change, and the Blackest Night has come and gone AND he's forced his corps into a treaty with the Green Lantern Corps........

                              What do they do? How do they spend their days? Being sadistic? Because there's no way the Green Lantern Corps could be expected to ignore that and maintain a truce and there's no way that the Sinestro Corps could survive an all out conflict if the Green Lanterns are allowed to kill them.

                              Particularly since this is fiction and the GLC are the good guys.

                              So.....

                              What do the Sinestro Corps do all day?

                              Sudoku?

                              Originally posted by Dave Cormier View Post
                              Well what WOULD the red or yellow lanterns do if the GLC was destroyed, mission accomplished? Rule the universe with an iron fist? Turn on each other? Do both of them think they would be serving the universe by their methods? Hell, at least I could SEE the Sin corps wanting to control everything, but what about the reds? Would they just disband?

                              You know what they ought to do with the red book? (other than cancel it before it starts, we don't have time for rational solutions) Hitting on an idea posted above, what if the lifespan of a red lantern was only as long as it took to get the revenge they were seeking? That when they killed the being they were so angry at, the ring would give a "mission acomplished" like the white ring did and fly off the ring bearer's hand, killing him or her. Then it would go on to find a new, temporary owner.

                              Then you could do a whole bunch or EC style horror/revenge style comics, complete with ironic twist endings. I'm sure that's ALREADY more thought put into the concept than DC has so far.
                              Right. I'm not suggesting the Rainbow Corps don't have potential for interesting stories. I always thought the Orange Lanterns were the most interesting simply because they were the most "different" from the GLC.

                              We just haven't seen anything terribly interesting out of any of them since the Sinestro Corps War.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by GreenLantern888 View Post
                                Red Lanterns: the Red Lantern Corps is fueled by the light of rage, and its ring-wielders roam the galaxy seeking violent retribution.
                                Against whom? Why? Who decides who joins?

                                the Orange Lantern Corps is dominated by Agent Orange, who jealously guards his power against all others.
                                Fascinating. *yawn*

                                Sinestro Corps: The Sinestro Corps wields the power of the yellow light of fear out of the emotional spectrum. Members are chosen throughout the universe for their ability to instill great fear, leading to an army of nightmarish creatures wielding power rings.

                                Founded by Sinestro, the Corps seeks to bring order to the universe through fear and oppression.
                                Do you really believe that the members of the Sinestro Corps give a shit about bringing order to the Universe?

                                Blue Lantern Corps: Powered by the Blue Light of Hope, the Blue Lantern Corps has been tasked with bringing Hope to a desperate Universe, to see it through the dark times that lie ahead.
                                How?

                                Indigo Lantern Tribe: The Indigo Tribe wield staff lanterns powered by the Indigo Light of Compassion. Their powers are demonstrated by their ability to channel the emotional energy of other Lanterns through their staffs, such as willpower, fear, and even the black rings, in what can only be describe as an extreme form of empathy.
                                What do they do? Why do they exist?

                                Star Sapphire Corps: Using the Violet Light of Love and led by the Zamarons, the Star Sapphire Corps plans to change the hearts of the universe.
                                Change the hearts of the Universe to what?

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