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Old 11-05-2008, 10:56 PM   #1
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Default Justice Society of America #20 *Spoilers*

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Old 11-05-2008, 11:13 PM   #2
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Best issue in a long time. 4 solid stars.
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Old 11-06-2008, 04:13 AM   #3
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I thought it was okay, not the best JSA story ever but certainly not bad by any means.

It did beg me to wonder why teh Green Kryptonite affected New Earths Posergirl but not Earth 2's Powergirl even though she was standing right next to it.

If I'm not mistaken Huntress seemed to have wondered about that too.
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Four stars for me. I'm enjoying these E2 interludes much more than the main Kingdom Come story. And having the Ordster doing sections of the book? How frigging cool is that?!!

I was hoping the two Hawkmen would bump into each other, but there's only so much you can do in 22 pages. As it is, pretty much every member of the JSA has some kind of personal loss that can be reflected on by bumping into characters on the other sideof the fence. I wouldn't mind seeing Carter's take on the alternate versions of his son and daughter in law, but that same scenario is already being addressed with Green Lantern and his son and daughter.

and it looks like the issue of which E2 this is has finally been putto rest. They pretty much spell it out for us that this is a new Earth 2. Curiously, the claim is that the E2 Supes that dies in Infinite Crisis wasn't the real E2 Supes, which makes absolutely NO sense. That supes was with Prime, Luthor, and his Lois from Crisis #12 to the end, so how could he have been from a version of E2 that wasn't created until IC????
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Curiously, the claim is that the E2 Supes that dies in Infinite Crisis wasn't the real E2 Supes, which makes absolutely NO sense. That supes was with Prime, Luthor, and his Lois from Crisis #12 to the end, so how could he have been from a version of E2 that wasn't created until IC????
Yes, if true, that's just nonsense. I mean... then, where did the original E2 Supes go?
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And how did who replaced him fool his wife, Prime, and Luthor Jr? Seems like it was just thrown out there to give PG something to hold onto, without really thinking it through.
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I chalked it up to E2 PG having the same memories as the original Earth 2 Power Girl myself. But...I think there is something wrong with her anyway. I think shes a little nutso.
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I think the Earth 2 Superman who died in IC was a anomaly. Remember when the main earth reformed and all the conunity was in flux at the end of COIE the 4 of them were outside of the universe. So when the 52 was created at the end of IC a New Earth 2 Superman would have been created along with all the people of that Earth.




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Old 11-06-2008, 05:23 PM   #9
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i thought E2 supes being in in limbo (according to the starman summary of COIE and infinite crisis)when the "new" earths were created meant he basically
was missing from E2's development after the events of COIE-kinda confused on this -must read this issue again
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I think the Earth 2 Superman who died in IC was a anomaly. Remember when the main earth reformed and all the conunity was in flux at the end of COIE the 4 of them were outside of the universe. So when the 52 was created at the end of IC a New Earth 2 Superman would have been created along with all the people of that Earth.




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This is exactly the case. The Original Earth Two Kal-L died in IC. Stemming from IC, a NEW Earth 2 was formed, with a NEW KAl-L, and a NEW Power Girl. There you have it.


On another note, this issue is further proof the Lo3Ws story has already happened. Starmans costume was made by 3 Brainiacs.
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Old 11-07-2008, 01:02 AM   #11
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Default JSA #20: BIG FUCKIN' REVEAL!!

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so far, this has been my book of the week, and a big tip of the hat to GJ himself.

Ima give it 5*'s personally





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Old 11-07-2008, 01:22 AM   #13
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I've been meaning to get into JSA, seeing that I read and enjoy everything else Geoff Johns is doing right now. However, the current arc is a bit too multiversal for my tastes, not to mention I'd be coming in at the tail-end of a story which seems to have been going on for ages. I'm thinking of giving it a shot in January, when they'll be starting a new story with Black Adam.
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And how did who replaced him fool his wife, Prime, and Luthor Jr? Seems like it was just thrown out there to give PG something to hold onto, without really thinking it through.
Reading it closely, I don't think the issue was intended to say that it was the 2nd Earth-2 Superman that went to the Paradise Dimension and died in Infinite Crisis... that's just what the 2nd Earth-2 Powergirl believed based on what the real Powergirl was saying.

Though if it is true... I think we're looking at Geoff giving an early and deliberate play with what will be revealed as a return of Hypertime in Final Crisis.
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wait guys,.so theyre saying that the E2 supes that died in IC wasnt real!?!??! WTF ?!?!?
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No no no, the whole thing is incredibly simple:

Kal-L and Power Girl are from the original Earth 2 - Pre-CoIE

After 52, a duplicate Earth 2 was created, including a duplicate Kal-L (seemingly lost) and a duplicate Power Girl who is the one we see in this story. She has all the memories of the original Power Girl (ours on the JSA) up to the point where CoIE ends.

This is a NEW Earth 2, with duplicate characters of all the original Earth 2 characters.
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The fact that Starmans suit was made by 3 Brainiac 5's is another indication that the Legion of 3 Worlds story has already happened, something I've been saying before it even came out.
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No no no, the whole thing is incredibly simple:

Kal-L and Power Girl are from the original Earth 2 - Pre-CoIE

After 52, a duplicate Earth 2 was created, including a duplicate Kal-L (seemingly lost) and a duplicate Power Girl who is the one we see in this story. She has all the memories of the original Power Girl (ours on the JSA) up to the point where CoIE ends.

This is a NEW Earth 2, with duplicate characters of all the original Earth 2 characters.
The only question is where the new Earth-2's Kal-L is, and where he has been for "years."
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No no no, the whole thing is incredibly simple:

Kal-L and Power Girl are from the original Earth 2 - Pre-CoIE

After 52, a duplicate Earth 2 was created, including a duplicate Kal-L (seemingly lost) and a duplicate Power Girl who is the one we see in this story. She has all the memories of the original Power Girl (ours on the JSA) up to the point where CoIE ends.

This is a NEW Earth 2, with duplicate characters of all the original Earth 2 characters.

ohhh soo theres this new E2 Kal. thanks for clearing it up for me mav
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The fact that Starmans suit was made by 3 Brainiac 5's is another indication that the Legion of 3 Worlds story has already happened, something I've been saying before it even came out.
Yeah, Geoff definately planned it that way. Since he alluded to the Legion of Three Worlds "Crisis" all the way back during The Lightning Saga, before it was even announced. So the Starman we've been seeing all this time in JSA has been a post Lo3W Starman. Also the mission the Legionares were on in TLS to retrieve someone(Bart) in the lightningt rod, was to set up for that someone's resurrection in Lo3w. Pretty sweet how it worked that way.
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On another note, this issue is further proof the Lo3Ws story has already happened. Starmans costume was made by 3 Brainiacs.
This is a good thing though. So you don't have to worry about Superman's continuity durring FC as we can assume LO3W is pre-Final Crisis. We can also assume that since time travel is involved that the mentions of it from previous books are not just only foreshadowing but also elements of temporal realignment.



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The only question is where the new Earth-2's Kal-L is, and where he has been for "years."
This is the unanswered question. It would be funny if he somehow got shunted to Earth-22 all those years ago...


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ohhh soo theres this new E2 Kal. thanks for clearing it up for me mav
Glad I could help, sometimes people get so wrapped up in things, they fail to see the obvious. Although...I could be wrong too
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Reading it closely, I don't think the issue was intended to say that it was the 2nd Earth-2 Superman that went to the Paradise Dimension and died in Infinite Crisis... that's just what the 2nd Earth-2 Powergirl believed based on what the real Powergirl was saying.
I'm willing to let it go as bad wording. It makes a lot more sense if it plays out like it appears; that this is the post Crisis version of E2 as it carried on, and Supes and PG got replaced because they weren't there when it was reborn. Granted, you could make that claim about any number of E2 characters currently used in the DCU JSA book, but it's best to accept it for what it seems to be intended to be.

Did you guys notice that Jade claimed her father was dead on this world? Is it possible some of the "new Earth" JSAers could end up migrating over there to live? We all figured it'd be Power Girl, but wouldn't it be something if Jay or Alan moved there?

Personally, I'd love an Earth 2 ongoing title, drawn by Jerry Ordway.
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I wouldn't necessarily be against that, but I just fear that sales would mean a short run, and perhaps the end of the characters entirely.

More observations:

Where was the Earth 2 Jay?

Perhaps with Alan and Batman dead on Earth two, it means that the other "originals" are also dead, such as Jay, Wildcat etc.
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Good question. There weren't any dopplegangers meeting themselves in the story, aside from Power Girl. I guess Geoff intentionally left any possible meetups out for this issue to give PG's story more impact. And threw in Hawkman on the other side to give their team more legitimacy so it didn't look like an amped up Infinity Inc.
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