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Old 03-23-2017, 04:24 PM   #26
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Hal to Kyle, you are the greatest because you are the white lantern and mastered the rings.

Hal to Kyle however when it comes to being a GL I am the man, you aren't in my league

Kyle to Hal I have always looked up to you

Hal to Kyle (in Han Solo voice) "I know everyone knows"

Kyle is no longer White Lantern but is now a Green Lantern and thus <Hal and no longer the greatest anything.

It felt like a backhanded compliment. That being said all my favorite Kyle stories are him as a Green Lantern, and I felt the power ups were small bones thrown to placate fans. It's a good move for the character and the franchise but the whole Hal speech felt like a slap to the face, at least that's how I took it and I am not a persecuted Kyle fan.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:53 PM   #27
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Hal to Kyle, you are the greatest because you are the white lantern and mastered the rings.

Hal to Kyle however when it comes to being a GL I am the man, you aren't in my league

Kyle to Hal I have always looked up to you

Hal to Kyle (in Han Solo voice) "I know everyone knows"

Kyle is no longer White Lantern but is now a Green Lantern and thus <Hal and no longer the greatest anything.

It felt like a backhanded compliment. That being said all my favorite Kyle stories are him as a Green Lantern, and I felt the power ups were small bones thrown to placate fans. It's a good move for the character and the franchise but the whole Hal speech felt like a slap to the face, at least that's how I took it and I am not a persecuted Kyle fan.
They can't seem to give up the boneheaded approach that Hal has to be "the greatest," can they? Even though it guarantees that Hal is the only one they'll ever be able to successfully market.

What company says, hey, we've got four products here and they all cost the same, but this one is the best!

Who would do that, and why?

They're going to have to reboot it and show all four Earth Lanterns getting their rings at the same time. That's the only way to knock that nonsense in the head and put it out of its misery.
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:57 PM   #28
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If multiple Batman type heroes can inhabit the same city of Gotham, why can only one or two GL's inhabit an entire planet? Now that Kyle is back I would be interested to see him go against Nero, Effigy, Grayven and his arch enemy bar none...Par(Hal)lax as well as Radu. I would love to see Guy back on Earth on like JLA and play off against the other earth heroes. I would love seeing Hal in the Justice League and his government job and his family and his earth based foes (like the Shark). I really can't think of too many Earth roots requiring John to be earth based. Plus Alan in the JSA (if the JSA is on the main earth). Simon and Jessica can be Charlie Vickered for all I care they are just diversity for the Justice League but DC should be above that. Overcrowding? Nah just use the Green Lantern Corps excuse the Kilowog, Arisia, Hal, John, Ch'p, Salaak, Guy team did. Expanding the sectors to require more Lanterns that are just based on on planet but have a much bigger jurisdiction. Let the character be where the best stories can be told editorial mandates be damned.
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:35 PM   #29
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Never market one of your products at the expense of your other products.

Who doesn't get that instinctively?

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Old 03-24-2017, 02:28 PM   #30
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I've never been a fan of the crab mask. I was one of those guys who called him Crab Boy on the old DC message board, and ridiculed them into changing it. But certainly the right role for him is as a GL.
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Old 03-27-2017, 06:58 AM   #31
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I liked Kyle as the WL and that phase of his character development lasted much longer than I thought it would. Yet returning to the GLC was a foregone conclusion. This issue did it in a way that reminded readers that while Kyle is returning to his green visuals, his personality makes him unique. I actually got a little misty-eyed when Ganthet said, "Yes. You will most certainly do."
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Old 03-30-2017, 11:16 PM   #32
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So, after reading this, I'm guessing our blue Watchman remember prevented the "resurrection"? And where are the Templar Guardians?
I think they were either trying to resurrect the entire group of Guardians, or the entire group of Blue Lanterns.

The Templar Guardians, much like every DC plot that hits the brick wall when sales start to drop, have disappeared.
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Old 03-31-2017, 03:42 PM   #33
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I voted yes, because I want to see Kyle back with the green ring and green uniform, again. It has been far too long.
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Old 03-31-2017, 04:23 PM   #34
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I've never been a fan of the crab mask. I was one of those guys who called him Crab Boy on the old DC message board, and ridiculed them into changing it. But certainly the right role for him is as a GL.
Pretty sure the mask was changed because so many artists just couldn't draw the damn thing. And because his Jim Lee suit had more details elsewhere, so the mask didn't need as many.

I'm sure I don't have all the facts though and you along with a handful of HEAT members actually made the change happen LOL

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Old 03-31-2017, 04:51 PM   #35
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DC probably stole the idea to change Kyle's costume from Trey's fanfiction.
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Old 03-31-2017, 06:14 PM   #36
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DC probably stole the idea to change Kyle's costume from Trey's fanfiction.
As soon as people called him Crab Boy on the DCU boards, they changed it. And I was one of those people. I didn't come up with that name. I wish I had though, because it was great.

Yes, they read that stuff. Who thinks they don't? If you worked for a comics company, you'd read the message boards. You'd read them all the damned time.

Why do you think DC did Rebirth? It was because of people bitching on the message board about bad changes they made in the New 52. How would DC know about the unhappiness otherwise?

Why do you think Geoff Johns secretly joined HEAT long before he started writing Green Lantern? It was because he read HEAT's posts on the message boards. Back then most people would have shit a brick if they had known he was a member. The conventional wisdom was that HEAT was a basket of deplorables, but his story bringing back Hal and the Corps was exactly what HEAT wanted. About the only thing that Geoff came up with was that Hal's mind had been possessed during Emerald Twilight. The rest of it was "fan fiction."

One of the problems with Green Lantern now is that the people who are in charge of it are so recent that their knowledge of it doesn't back to the pre-Johns era. They saw drawings of Kyle's original costume and liked it, but were unaware of the ridicule it drew.

What they never did back then though was drop the emotional spectrum when people started calling it the Skittles Corps. It would have been better if they had, wouldn't it? I wish I had thought of that name too. It was great.

Anyway I've never said they've taken anything from any stories I've written. (Which of course you haven't read, and therefore dismiss with a hand wave.) Why would they do that? Of course they haven't.

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Old 03-31-2017, 08:42 PM   #37
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99% of your posts are DC stole your ideas, DC should hire you, and let's get rid of the defining characteristic of a super hero who's been around for 77 years
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Old 03-31-2017, 09:06 PM   #38
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99% of your posts are DC stole your ideas, DC should hire you, and let's get rid of the defining characteristic of a super hero who's been around for 77 years
Now that's just screwy. I have never said that DC has "stolen" any of my ideas, let alone are "99 percent of my posts" about that.

I've posted on CBR that they should do a few things, and in short order they've done them. Pretty radical changes, too. Good for them! If I didn't want them to do those things, why would I have said they should do them? Why would I complain that they've done what I've said they should do? I'm happy about that, not unhappy. Get those wheels turning, please.

And yes, the ring constructs blow chunks. I know you're angry that I've said that, but hey. Keeping them will not sell the product, because they're not selling the product now. So how are they going to start selling it? Are readers going to finally wise up to how cool they are? How so?

Anything that's happening now should be subject to flushing, including the ring constructs. Only Baz and Cruz outrank them in suckiness.

Oh, and I don't need for DC or anyone else to hire me. I'm doing fine.

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Old 04-01-2017, 02:59 AM   #39
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DC has so many Green Lantern concepts that started off as awesome, then fell short.

- Kyle Rayner as the last GL (who tried twice to re-start the Corps and failed)

- The Guardians of the Universe NOT as standoffish do-nothings (first Kyle brings back the other Guardians after Ganthet is the last one, then the 50+ become just 9 again; and the entire Last Army/Kill the Alpha Lanterns thread)

- The Emotional Spectrum (until everybody began wearing each other's rings; 5 Years Later Guy Gardner was the final straw of that concept)

- Brightest Day and the White Lantern (until Deadman really messed things up as the White Lantern)

- Hal Jordan as the greatest GL ever (until Krona's Gauntlet made him bigger than Ion)

- Each Corps of Light having their own society, goals, and conflicts (until Relic destroyed them all, leaving only a handful of Lanterns)

- Guy Gardner, leader of the Red Lanterns (until the mullet and mutton-chops made him look like an FBI Top Ten Wanted poster)

- Supergirl, Red Lantern (until she had to go back to the "S" Family on Earth)

- Kyle Rayner, White Lantern (with Carol Ferris as his girlfriend? What, Soranik Natu was unavailable? Jade (Jennifer-Lynn Hayden-Scott) never came back after 52New? How about Kyle resurrecting a certain girlfriend from the fridge as the White Lantern?)

- Hybrid Lanterns (that disappeared quickly after War of the Lanterns was done. What about Guy Gardner, even as the "Christmas Lantern"?)

- John Stewart and Fatality (just force the Star Sapphire ring back on her, John!)

- Resurrected Oa (until it blew up again. And again. Oh wait, Mogo has the CPB)

- The entire "the GLC got sent to the previous universe" story (which had John Steward seeing Hal Jordan as the initiator INSTEAD OF Parallax, who would have been perfect, and was available to use, even, from the Convergence series); and how Mogo was able to "override" all the Power Staffs and Power Rings at the last minute

Etc, etc, etc.
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Old 04-01-2017, 10:56 AM   #40
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DC has so many Green Lantern concepts that started off as awesome, then fell short.

- Kyle Rayner as the last GL (who tried twice to re-start the Corps and failed)

- The Guardians of the Universe NOT as standoffish do-nothings (first Kyle brings back the other Guardians after Ganthet is the last one, then the 50+ become just 9 again; and the entire Last Army/Kill the Alpha Lanterns thread)

- The Emotional Spectrum (until everybody began wearing each other's rings; 5 Years Later Guy Gardner was the final straw of that concept)

- Brightest Day and the White Lantern (until Deadman really messed things up as the White Lantern)

- Hal Jordan as the greatest GL ever (until Krona's Gauntlet made him bigger than Ion)

- Each Corps of Light having their own society, goals, and conflicts (until Relic destroyed them all, leaving only a handful of Lanterns)

- Guy Gardner, leader of the Red Lanterns (until the mullet and mutton-chops made him look like an FBI Top Ten Wanted poster)

- Supergirl, Red Lantern (until she had to go back to the "S" Family on Earth)

- Kyle Rayner, White Lantern (with Carol Ferris as his girlfriend? What, Soranik Natu was unavailable? Jade (Jennifer-Lynn Hayden-Scott) never came back after 52New? How about Kyle resurrecting a certain girlfriend from the fridge as the White Lantern?)

- Hybrid Lanterns (that disappeared quickly after War of the Lanterns was done. What about Guy Gardner, even as the "Christmas Lantern"?)

- John Stewart and Fatality (just force the Star Sapphire ring back on her, John!)

- Resurrected Oa (until it blew up again. And again. Oh wait, Mogo has the CPB)

- The entire "the GLC got sent to the previous universe" story (which had John Steward seeing Hal Jordan as the initiator INSTEAD OF Parallax, who would have been perfect, and was available to use, even, from the Convergence series); and how Mogo was able to "override" all the Power Staffs and Power Rings at the last minute

Etc, etc, etc.
None of that should have ever happened. Not one bit of it.

Stop adding stuff to it and start taking stuff away, DC. Add back the Guardians and Oa though.

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There should be a Council of around 6-9 members of the GLC to make big decisions similar to the Guardians. Saying John alone is the leader is just as bad as saying Hal is the sole leader of the GLC.

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Old 04-02-2017, 05:42 AM   #42
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Mr -//V\\-. let me remind you again that I've got you on ignore.

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Old 04-10-2017, 01:53 PM   #43
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I'm fine with him coming back if it means no White Lanterns for a while. I'd like them to just focus on the Green Lanterns for a while, introduce some nice galaxy wide threats for them to tango with, get away from the emotional spectrum stuff.
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So Geoff Johns is going to write Titans. Why do I get a feeling that Kyle will join the team?
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If that happens, it will be a very good first step toward fixing the property.

But will Geoff realize that his own projects of introducing an emotional spectrum, making Baz and Cruz Green Lanterns, and flushing the Guardians and Oa need to be discarded too?
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Knowing Johns, he'll create a new human transgender teenage GL to put on his Teen Titans roster.
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He does care about sales though, and he is willing to change things when they flop. Which is what GL is doing, even though in this case the flop is is his doing.
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He does care about sales though, and he is willing to change things when they flop. Which is what GL is doing, even though in this case the flop is is his doing.
Time to create a human tranny GL then! Thats money in the bank!
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Time to create a human tranny GL then! Thats money in the bank!
Maybe Kyle will transition into Kayla.
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So Geoff Johns is going to write Titans. Why do I get a feeling that Kyle will join the team?
If he's writing Titans it's probably just until the thing with the Watchmen because the Titans will tie directly into it.

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Knowing Johns, he'll create a new human transgender teenage GL to put on his Teen Titans roster.
I think he's writing Titans, not Teen Titans. However, my nephew sent me a pic of an article that mentioned how a transgendered GL was on the table recently around the same time Alan of Earth 2 was said to be gay.

EDIT: And if anybody's gonna be trans it's Hal. Reality will alter somehow and he'll be Haily 'Hal' Jordan and dress up like a man like Ruby Rose.

I always thought if DC really wanted to use the gimmick, use Iron Monroe and make it a woman presenting herself as a man.

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