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Old 12-15-2018, 03:02 PM   #1251
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It doesn't seem that Bendis is doing all that much for Action Comics and Superman. Those numbers more or less look like what those titles would be selling without his name attached to them. That's interesting.
I'm surprised by those numbers for DC's Flagship character. I read the first few post-Rebirth issues of each one, and both were off to a running start. Has the writing really gone down hill over the last 6 months or so?
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I'm surprised by those numbers for DC's Flagship character. I read the first few post-Rebirth issues of each one, and both were off to a running start. Has the writing really gone down hill over the last 6 months or so?
Not at all. Although I like Action Comics (focusing on Kal as Clark) a lot better than Superman (focusing on Kal as Superman). And the art has even gone up a notch.
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Not at all. Although I like Action Comics (focusing on Kal as Clark) a lot better than Superman (focusing on Kal as Superman). And the art has even gone up a notch.
I would agree. There's been no real dip.
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The plain and simple fact that Bendis' Superman comics aren't doing better is exactly why I question why DC wants to give the man so much so soon with him coming to their side of the fence? All the different creator owned stuff like Pearl, his 'imprint' Wonder Comics, and when his Superman isn't even breaking the Top 10 each month?

I'd love to see what other creators would do with this much creative freedom.

What would they do with a big gun like Superman? And what four comics would they want to bring back or reintroduce characters with? Or even just have a hand in bringing back....

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Old 12-16-2018, 01:58 AM   #1255
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I guess I'll be the lone voice of dissent and say I haven't cared for Bendis on the Superbooks. I read the Man of Steel mini and dropped it due to him shoving Lois and Jon to the side. Gave that issue where Lois comes back a shot and didn't care for it either.

As for the sales specifically however it's been pretty clear from the beginning that Bendis on the Superbooks wasn't having the kind of effect DC was hoping for, sales are pretty similar to the previous runs rather than up there with Tom King's Batman.

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The plain and simple fact that Bendis' Superman comics aren't doing better is exactly why I question why DC wants to give the man so much so soon with him coming to their side of the fence? All the different creator owned stuff like Pearl, his 'imprint' Wonder Comics, and when his Superman isn't even breaking the Top 10 each month?
It was probably promised to him and put into his contract in order to lure him over from Marvel.
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19 Doom Patrol 1* $3.99 DC 76,225
79 Doom Patrol 2* $3.99 DC 37,856
96 Doom Patrol 3* $3.99 DC 30,140
105 Doom Patrol 4* $3.99 DC 26,261
101 Doom Patrol 5* $3.99 DC 24,693
104 Doom Patrol 6* $3.99 DC 21,954
120 Doom Patrol 7* $3.99 DC 18,432
125 Doom Patrol 8* $3.99 DC 17,483
133 Doom Patrol 9* $3.99 DC 16,381
133 Doom Patrol 10* $3.99 DC 15,504
155 Doom Patrol 11* $3.99 DC 12,937
190 Doom Patrol 12* $3.99 DC 13,448
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Orders actually went UP 511 copies for the 12th issue. Odd.
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Old 12-17-2018, 02:02 AM   #1258
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I guess I'll be the lone voice of dissent and say I haven't cared for Bendis on the Superbooks. I read the Man of Steel mini and dropped it due to him shoving Lois and Jon to the side. Gave that issue where Lois comes back a shot and didn't care for it either.

As for the sales specifically however it's been pretty clear from the beginning that Bendis on the Superbooks wasn't having the kind of effect DC was hoping for, sales are pretty similar to the previous runs rather than up their with Tom King's Batman.

It was probably promised to him and put into his contract in order to lure him over from Marvel.
From what I gather he wanted to write Superman after visiting a friend's Superman museum in Ohio, and his contract was almost up with Marvel. It doesn't sound like he needed to be lured to the dark side, TPTB probably just figured he'd turn heads and sell more books. So far he's barely managed to do one of those.

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I think Bendis might have made more of a splash if DC had put him on something that really needed his help. A lower tiered title that he could have raised up to the next level like Johns did for GL, Moore did for Swamp thing or Perez did for WW. On the Superman titles he seems like a wash.

He would have made bigger waves if he had taken over Green Arrow or Titans.
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Old 12-17-2018, 05:03 PM   #1260
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I think Bendis might have made more of a splash if DC had put him on something that really needed his help. A lower tiered title that he could have raised up to the next level like Johns did for GL, Moore did for Swamp thing or Perez did for WW. On the Superman titles he seems like a wash.

He would have made bigger waves if he had taken over Green Arrow or Titans.
I think that's the problem with DC. They sign big talent but then 90% of the time they shuffle them to a Superman or Batman title, or God forbid something outside of continuity in a mini series or graphic novel that does nothing for the overall DC landscape.

Green Arrow was a nice thought. I'd love to see that title do better than it seems to be. It'd be incredible if DC could lure Kevin Smith back for an arc or two for that title, but Bendis I'm sure could do something for it as well. Maybe have Bendis rework the Beyond Universe, or a title like Red Hood & the Outlaws. Both of those concepts have staying power at least. How long will another Dial H last, and how long can Wonder Twins hold on to readers?

Bendis was featuring the Question in some recent issues of Action... WHAT ABOUT ANOTHER SERIES FOR Q?!? Cause you know... fans actually WANT to see that...

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I think Bendis might have made more of a splash if DC had put him on something that really needed his help. A lower tiered title that he could have raised up to the next level like Johns did for GL, Moore did for Swamp thing or Perez did for WW. On the Superman titles he seems like a wash.

He would have made bigger waves if he had taken over Green Arrow or Titans.
They should have put him on Aquaman and Green Arrow, which have traditionally been stuck on the sales bubble. But DC likes to gild the lilies instead. Not just with the writers but with the most popular artists too.
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I'm going to guess that what book Bendis started on was agreed upon before he ever signed a contract. I highly doubt he signed on to do any book and they just happened to stick him with double Superman.
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I'm going to guess that what book Bendis started on was agreed upon before he ever signed a contract. I highly doubt he signed on to do any book and they just happened to stick him with double Superman.
If so then they should have driven a smarter bargain with him.

When they sign a popular writer or artist, the purpose should not be to put him on a popular title. What's the point of doing that? The purpose should be to put him on a less-popular title where he'll move the needle.

The goal should always be to move the needle.

If Bendis didn't want to do that, then they should have spent their money elsewhere.
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Fans on the message boards will always clamor for the most popular writers and artists to be put on the most popular titles. But they're going to buy those titles regardless, and they don't want to spend any more money than they already spend. Later for that. You need to get the readers into the habit of buying the less-popular titles as well.
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I think DC would be smart to end their relationship with Gerard Way doing Doom Patrol now. Amd start to prepare a new DP title that resembles the upcoming tv show to compliment it.
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Time to round out the sales for the year.

Comic Sales December 2018

1 1 Batman Who Laughs 1 $4.99 12/12/18 DC 220,055
2 2 Batman Damned 2 $6.99 12/12/18 DC 138,719
3 3 Doomsday Clock 8 $4.99 12/05/18 DC 123,768
4 5 Batman 60 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 91,275
5 6 Batman 61 $3.99 12/19/18 DC 88,428
6 11 Amazing Spider-Man 11 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 79,799
7 4 Fantastic Four 5 $7.99 12/26/18 Marvel 78,322
8 12 Amazing Spider-Man 12 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 75,155
9 7 Batman Annual 3 $4.99 12/12/18 DC 68,207
10 8 Shazam 1 $4.99 12/05/18 DC 66,950
11 14 Justice League 13 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 66,852

12 17 Superior Spider-Man 1 $3.99 12/26/18 Marvel 66,734
13 10 Fantastic Four Wedding Special 1 $4.99 12/12/18 Marvel 64,495
14 16 Green Lantern 2 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 64,127
15 15 Venom 9 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 64,049
16 18 Justice League 14 $3.99 12/19/18 DC 61,940
17 22 Uncanny X-Men 4 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 59,113
18 20 Walking Dead 186 $3.99 12/05/18 Image 58,020
19 19 Miles Morales Spider-Man 1 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 57,491
20 24 Uncanny X-Men 6 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 57,475
21 13 X-Force 1 $4.99 12/26/18 Marvel 57,369
22 9 Infinity Wars 6 $5.99 12/19/18 Marvel 53,843
23 28 Avengers 11 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 52,820
24 26 Superman 6 $3.99 12/12/18 DC 52,414
25 31 Uncanny X-Men 5 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 51,916
26 29 Detective Comics 994 $3.99 12/12/18 DC 51,772
27 25 Uncanny X-Men 7 $3.99 12/26/18 Marvel 49,964
28 34 Catwoman 6 $3.99 12/19/18 DC 48,014
29 21 Spider-Geddon 5 $4.99 12/19/18 Marvel 47,769
30 33 Star Wars 58 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 47,689
31 35 Thor 8 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 46,343
32 23 Star Wars Darth Vader 25 $4.99 12/19/18 Marvel 46,182
33 36 Star Wars Age Republic Darth Maul 1 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 45,999
34 38 Captain America 6 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 44,378
35 39 Immortal Hulk 10 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 43,229
36 41 Flash 60 $3.99 12/12/18 DC 42,212
37 30 X-Men Exterminated 1 $4.99 12/05/18 Marvel 42,028
38 27 Extermination 5 $4.99 12/19/18 Marvel 41,974
39 43 Justice League Dark 6 $3.99 12/12/18 DC 41,720
40 45 Deadpool 7 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 39,680
41 46 Martian Manhunter 1 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 39,312
42 40 Prodigy 1* $3.99 12/05/18 Image 38,379
43 32 Defenders Silver Surfer 1 $4.99 12/12/18 Marvel 38,296
44 49 Star Wars Age Republic Qui-Gon Jinn 1 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 37,907
45 50 Wonder Woman 60 $3.99 12/12/18 DC 36,966
46 37 Defenders Immortal Hulk 1 $4.99 12/05/18 Marvel 36,323
47 51 Dead Man Logan 2 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 34,841
48 42 Defenders Best Defense 1 $4.99 12/19/18 Marvel 34,226
49 44 Defenders Doctor Strange 1 $4.99 12/12/18 Marvel 32,123
50 47 Defenders Namor 1 $4.99 12/05/18 Marvel 31,593
51 54 Marvel Knights 20th 3 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 31,486
52 48 Infinity Wars Fallen Guardian 1 $4.99 12/19/18 Marvel 31,229
53 56 Aquaman 43 $3.99 12/19/18 DC 30,920
54 57 X-Men Red 11 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 30,415
55 59 Punisher 5 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 29,906
56 60 Marvel Knights 20th 4 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 29,675
57 64 Spider-Gwen Ghost Spider 3 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 29,016
58 61 Die 1 $3.99 12/05/18 Image 28,867
59 62 Deathstroke 38 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 28,803
60 53 Firefly 2 $3.99 12/19/18 Boom 28,545
61 66 Nightwing 54 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 28,269
62 69 Doctor Strange 9 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 27,837
63 67 Harley Quinn 55 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 27,742
64 70 Black Panther 7 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 27,548
65 52 Teen Titans 25 $4.99 12/19/18 DC 27,285
66 74 Life of Captain Marvel 5 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 27,079
67 75 X-23 7 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 26,934
68 76 Peter Parker Spectacular Spider-Man 313 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 26,619
69 73 Harley Quinn 56 $3.99 12/19/18 DC 26,491
70 78 Winter Soldier 1 $3.99 12/05/18 Marvel 26,329
71 77 Nightwing 55 $3.99 12/19/18 DC 26,060
72 79 Suicide Squad 49 $3.99 12/12/18 DC 25,933
73 102 Spawn 292 $2.99 12/19/18 Image 25,284
74 55 Merry X-Men Holiday Special 1 $4.99 12/05/18 Marvel 25,012
75 71 Magic Order 5* $3.99 12/12/18 Image 24,910
76 82 Titans 31 $3.99 12/12/18 DC 24,870
77 81 Spawn Kills Everyone Too 1 $3.99 12/12/18 Image 24,719
78 80 Livewire 1* $3.99 12/19/18 Valiant 24,638
79 83 Star Wars Doctor Aphra 27 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 24,612
80 84 Old Man Hawkeye 12 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 24,585
81 85 Black Panther Vs. Deadpool 3 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 24,357
82 58 Killmonger 1 $4.99 12/05/18 Marvel 24,242
83 86 Red Hood Outlaw 29 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 24,026
84 87 Freedom Fighters 1 $3.99 12/19/18 DC 23,836
85 89 Black Order 2 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 23,673
86 90 Marvel Action Avengers 1 $3.99 12/26/18 IDW 23,313
87 65 Rick & Morty Vs. Dungeons & Dragons 3 $4.99 12/05/18 IDW 22,615
88 92 Oblivion Song By Kirkman & De Felici 10 $3.99 12/12/18 Image 22,587
89 68 Seasons Beatings 1 $4.99 12/19/18 Marvel 22,383
90 63 Batman The Maxx Arkham Dreams 3 $4.99 12/05/18 IDW 22,183
91 93 Spider-Girls 3 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 21,682
92 72 Supergirl 25 $4.99 12/12/18 DC 21,564
93 95 Spider-Force 3 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 21,042
94 94 Adventures of the Super Sons 5 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 20,965
95 97 Domino 9 $3.99 12/19/18 Marvel 20,692
96 96 Hawkman 7 $3.99 12/12/18 DC 20,625
97 98 Batman Kings of Fear 5 $3.99 12/19/18 DC 20,212
98 99 Star Wars Han Solo Imperial Cadet 2 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 20,099
99 100 Infinity Wars Ghost Panther 2 $3.99 12/12/18 Marvel 20,042
100 103 Green Arrow 47 $3.99 12/05/18 DC 18,951\
. . .
177 172 Injustice Vs. The Masters of the Universe 5 $3.99 11/28/18 DC 8,920
456 449 Justice League 12 $3.99 11/21/18 DC 618
491 448 Aquaman Justice League Drowned Earth 1 $4.99 11/28/18 DC 501
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2. Green Lantern 1 $4.99 DC 113,651
14 Green Lantern 2 $3.99 DC 64,127
18 Green Lantern 3 $3.99 DC 54,398


Damn. That drops hurts to see written out like that. It was to be expected, but it still stings.
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14 Green Lantern 2 $3.99 DC 64,127



Damn. That drops hurts to see written out like that. It was to be expected, but it still stings.
People complain about their restarting the numbering, but that's why they do it. Speculators, and not fans, drive the content of the comics. That huge sales boost was like money they found lying on a sidewalk.
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^It's true, but I was hoping the power of Grant Morrison could keep GL as a top 10 book for a bit.
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i for one couldn't get past the bad art in #1 (never even got it) and #2 just keeps the bad art coming so pass on all sides
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You call that bad?
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I was thinking the same thing. How can you not love this art?
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^It's true, but I was hoping the power of Grant Morrison could keep GL as a top 10 book for a bit.
Yeah, I can't really explain it. Its probably a combination of Morrison isn't as big of a draw as he once was, Green Lantern still being a second tier character, and just plain ol' competition.
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Yeah, I can't really explain it. Its probably a combination of Morrison isn't as big of a draw as he once was, Green Lantern still being a second tier character, and just plain ol' competition.
I remember when he was writing Batman Inc and it was expected to sell better than Batman and Detective Comics and didn't. Multiversity didn't sell that great either. After that I kinda questioned his drawing power. Maybe he's really too hard to follow. I'm one of the people that dropped off GL after the 2nd issue. It's just not for me.
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I was thinking the same thing. How can you not love this art?
I'm not a fan of Liam Sharp's art on the title either. It reminds me of how I feel about Philip Tan. Amazing pencils.. AMAZING. But something gets lost in the inking and coloring process that makes it not pleasing to my eyes.
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