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Old 05-20-2016, 02:42 AM   #14751
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If Geoff is running the films division, then it'll get made and it'll be about Hal.
The quality potential is still debatable of course.
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Old 05-20-2016, 04:24 PM   #14752
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Snyder certainly embraces the grim and gritty viewpoint but considering that:
  • All these guys already have a good working relationship with each other
  • Terrio said before BvS was even released that Justice League would be lighter in tone

I have a hard time seeing the situation devolving into them straight up being at odds with each other.
Hopefully, you're right and the team works together and makes a better film.

However, I didn't think the grim and gritty tone was the problem with Batman v. Superman. I mean, Marvel's Netflix series (i.e. Daredevil and Jessica Jones) have a grim and gritty tone, which have received praises from both critics and fans. Moreover, Tony Stark's character in Captain America: Civil War is far removed from the Tony Stark of the original Iron Man film as he was pretty moody and wasn't all that funny. I think what was missing from Snyder's films is having character defining moments/interactions that honors 75 years of the characters' heritage, but instead, Snyder wants to break those ideals and push the characters in a direction that contradicts them.

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Old 05-20-2016, 06:33 PM   #14753
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The quality potential is still debatable of course.
Good point. I want it to star Hal Jordan, but if WB are incapable of making a good superhero movie, then it doesn't matter.
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Old 05-20-2016, 07:48 PM   #14754
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Its starring Hal is not an issue. Hal's deposing the Guardians and leading the GLC is not a good set-up, and the emotional spectrum sucks.
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Old 05-20-2016, 08:24 PM   #14755
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Old 05-21-2016, 01:07 AM   #14756
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Good point. I want it to star Hal Jordan, but if WB are incapable of making a good superhero movie, then it doesn't matter.
They just need to sort things out. Management seems to be a really mess at Warner Brothers right now.
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Old 05-21-2016, 03:22 AM   #14757
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Well I hope in the GLC movie they don't do anything close to that crap with the Guardians being evil and needing to be taken down.

That was a mistake in the comics that they STILL haven't fixed. Oa needs to come back too (again).
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Old 05-21-2016, 03:30 AM   #14758
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Well I hope in the GLC movie they don't do anything close to that crap with the Guardians being evil and needing to be taken down.

That was a mistake in the comics that they STILL haven't fixed. Oa needs to come back too (again).
Of course that will happen. Is Geoff going to make a movie that says anything different from that?
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Old 05-21-2016, 03:32 AM   #14759
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It was SO bad. One of the worst things done to the GL mythos...and they've done a LOT of stupid things to the GL mythos in 57 years.
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Old 05-22-2016, 11:55 AM   #14760
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BBL...the last 4 years of his GL run were the drizzling shits. Admit it.
Well, Blackest Night is my all-time favorite DC story, so I'm guessing we differ a little on GJ's final years. He wasn't perfect, of course, but it didn't take me long to want him back once he left.

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If Geoff is running the films division, then it'll get made and it'll be about Hal.
Hal will be the centerpiece, but I'm pretty sure it will included most or all of the human Lanterns.

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They just need to sort things out. Management seems to be a really mess at Warner Brothers right now.
WB never seems to have a clear vision of what to do with DC outside of Batman. They're really late to the party, yet things are still in flux.

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Of course that will happen. Is Geoff going to make a movie that says anything different from that?
The turncoat GotU doesn't seem like something that would be a good fit for the start the DCEU. WB would have to invest plenty of screen time in them to make audiences shocked when they eventually betray the GLC. Something like that would only be considered if the JL and GLC films are all moneymakers and WB is considering stories for something like GLC 3 in 2026. There are many, many variables there.
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Old 05-22-2016, 12:17 PM   #14761
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...The turncoat GotU doesn't seem like something that would be a good fit for the start the DCEU. WB would have to invest plenty of screen time in them to make audiences shocked when they eventually betray the GLC. Something like that would only be considered if the JL and GLC films are all moneymakers and WB is considering stories for something like GLC 3 in 2026. There are many, many variables there.
That's a good point. It kind of requires a long game.
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I think Geoff just does't want Hal taking orders from anyone. He's going to get the Guardians out of there immediately.
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Old 05-22-2016, 03:24 PM   #14763
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Logic would dictate if you wanted the Guardians to be the big heavy of GLC you do it at the end of a trilogy with build up. But this is WB, the company that did the DKR Superman Batman confrontation when they MEET, and not at the end of their careers after a long history between them. I don't want to give WB too much credit.
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Logic would dictate if you wanted the Guardians to be the big heavy of GLC you do it at the end of a trilogy with build up. But this is WB, the company that did the DKR Superman Batman confrontation when they MEET, and not at the end of their careers after a long history between them. I don't want to give WB too much credit.
Given how much money the first GL movie lost, WB won't be assuming that a trilogy will get made. They'll do everything they're going to do in the next one and see how that flies.
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Old 05-23-2016, 04:31 PM   #14765
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I think were putting the cart before the horse here, as it's really unclear with the role that Johns will play with the DCEU. Is Johns and Berg going to be the Kevin Feige of the DCEU? It's hard to tell with the Wonder Woman movie already completing principle photography, Justice League: Part One already filming and Suicide Squad set to debut in a couple of months.

WB still wants their DC films to be director driven, meaning they'll feel more like independent/stand along films, rather than strong connective films building towards something. I don't think this is a bad thing. I mean, the comics typically work that way, with solos titles not really connecting with the Justice League.

I still believe there will be a Green Lantern Corp flick, but they do have to work out a script, budget and director. I think they should hire a director before casting the roles. Too bad WB never gave Deadpool's director, Tim Miller a shot at a DC movie, as he directed the opening battle sequence in Thor: The Dark World and the video game trailer for DC Online.

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Old 05-23-2016, 05:08 PM   #14766
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Well, Blackest Night is my all-time favorite DC story, so I'm guessing we differ a little on GJ's final years. He wasn't perfect, of course, but it didn't take me long to want him back once he left.


Johns from Rebirth up to and including Blackest Night was the greatest Green Lantern's ever been imo, and I own a good deal of what came before (including the entirety of what I thought was the at times strikingly excellent Kyle era). After BN I do feel he shot his wad, things declined pretty quick, and the end I equate with the end of the Synder Batman run...completely inessential.

As far as Johns running DC, the movies...anything but writing comics, I'm completely unenthused. He need to do what he does well, and making these final Justice League issues his last comics makes me respect him one hell of a lot less.

But that's just my opinion, I'm trying not to let the very disappointing Batman movie and the mostly who care Retroactive Abortion totally ruin my love of DC. It's just...let's see how the suspiciously-getting-patched-up-at-the-last-minute Suicide Squad pans out...not very optimistic for the GLC film at this point. It might take a dynamo like Jim Starlin or even semi like Van Jensen writing the script for me to get back enthusiasm at this point, and that (sadly for DC) probably ain't gonna happen.
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I think Johns does a wonderful job in "rebirthing" things. I mean, his run on Aquaman turned things around for the character during the New52. I think the problem with Johns, is that he doesn't have a good history for "aftermath" stories/long term plans.

But, if anything really needs a "rebirth" in the DCEU, it's Superman.

Interesting tidbit of information about Johns, is that he broke into Hollywood/entertainment business by calling Richard Donner's (Director of Superman: The Movie) office for a job. Donner hired Johns. Johns was the person that found the lost footage of Donner's Superman flicks and thus we got the director's cut of Superman.
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Johns from Rebirth up to and including Blackest Night was the greatest Green Lantern's ever been imo, and I own a good deal of what came before (including the entirety of what I thought was the at times strikingly excellent Kyle era). After BN I do feel he shot his wad, things declined pretty quick, and the end I equate with the end of the Synder Batman run...completely inessential.

As far as Johns running DC, the movies...anything but writing comics, I'm completely unenthused. He need to do what he does well, and making these final Justice League issues his last comics makes me respect him one hell of a lot less.

But that's just my opinion, I'm trying not to let the very disappointing Batman movie and the mostly who care Retroactive Abortion totally ruin my love of DC. It's just...let's see how the suspiciously-getting-patched-up-at-the-last-minute Suicide Squad pans out...not very optimistic for the GLC film at this point. It might take a dynamo like Jim Starlin or even semi like Van Jensen writing the script for me to get back enthusiasm at this point, and that (sadly for DC) probably ain't gonna happen.
Johns is probably going to make ten times more money running DC Films than he was writing comics.
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Old 05-24-2016, 01:56 PM   #14769
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Johns is probably going to make ten times more money running DC Films than he was writing comics.
And yet writing comics is the only thing he's really good at. Losing respect for him by the second, DC too. Hello, Marvel!
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And yet writing comics is the only thing he's really good at. Losing respect for him by the second, DC too. Hello, Marvel!
Well, to be fair, we can't really say that writing comics is the only thing he's really good at until we see him try other stuff and do much worse. As he has only just started in this new position, it is a little early, methinks, to declare that he's no good at it. I'd love to find out that he is even better at this, personally, since it might mean more DC movies I could really enjoy.
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Well, to be fair, we can't really say that writing comics is the only thing he's really good at until we see him try other stuff and do much worse. As he has only just started in this new position, it is a little early, methinks, to declare that he's no good at it. I'd love to find out that he is even better at this, personally, since it might mean more DC movies I could really enjoy.
Not to mention that he was directly involved in getting Supergirl, Legends, Arrow, and Flash on TV. So writing comics isn't all he's good at. I think, in time, DC's movies will catch up to Marvel (although the last Marvel movie I enjoyed was Winter Soldier), but their TV Shows and Animated Films are greatly superior to what Marvel is doing.
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Geoff Johns Clarifies His Position at Warner Bros. & on Ben Affleck's Solo "Batman" Film

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DC Entertainment CCO Geoff Johns will continue to play a big role in Warner Bros.' DC division. During an interview with ComicBook.com, he discussed his job at Warner Bros. and confirmed that he is working on the studio's solo "Batman" film with Ben Affleck.

"My job is to help other Warner Brothers divisions work with DC," Johns explained. "I work with Warner TV and producers to get these shows up and running, in particular with 'The Flash,' where I co-created the show, wrote a few episodes, wrote the pilot episode."

"I work with other people, Ames Kirshen in games, the studios like Rocksteady and Netherrealm, go in there on character choices, story they’re going to do and brainstorm on that, try to keep it true to comics," he continued.

"I do get to say I'm working on 'Batman' with Ben Affleck," he added. "That gets the Thanksgiving table excited, especially my brother."

However, he could not confirm reports that he now has a larger role at the studio, despite earlier rumors that claimed Warner Bros. had appointed him and Jon Berg to take charge of the DC Films division after "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice" failed to meet the studio's financial and critical expectations.

"Suicide Squad," the next DC Films movie, hits theaters on August 5.
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The movies can't get any worse at this point. At least they have the one direction left to go being up going for them.
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I don't know, Aquaman certainly has it work cut out for him. I mean the internet wasn't happy with how Aquaman was introduced in Batman v. Superman. And of course, there will be comparisons to Flash movie with the TV show.
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Well, to be fair, we can't really say that writing comics is the only thing he's really good at until we see him try other stuff and do much worse. As he has only just started in this new position, it is a little early, methinks, to declare that he's no good at it. I'd love to find out that he is even better at this, personally, since it might mean more DC movies I could really enjoy.
You are right, Ed, and I see there have been great posts here since I last visited. I agree, Aquaman looks like an uphill climb for the creators, and I'm such a fan of the Flash tv show it will be hard for me to readily accept Ezra any time soon. I also think Batman vs Superman totally fumbled the ball when it came to introducing those characters. But let me watch that last film again, I've only seen it once compared to Civil War...which was even, unbelievably better the second time around.
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