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Old 02-25-2014, 12:58 PM   #26
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Yeah, there are multiple instances of random Joe Schmoes picking up a ring and using it in the Silver Age stuff. I've been re-reading the early stuff in the Showcase black and white reprints and in one issue alone Hal gives Pie Face a split-off ring he can use (even flies and phases through a wall). In the same issue, Hector steals and uses Hal's ring. And that's just one issue. There were tons more like that.
In the creators' defense, it was the 60's and 70's, everyone was doing copious amounts of illegal narcotics.
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In the creators' defense, it was the 60's and 70's, everyone was doing copious amounts of illegal narcotics.
Ha.
"Mr. Schwartz, I got it. In the next issue, Hal's fighting Sinestro when he gets the munchies! What will he do?"
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Old 02-25-2014, 01:10 PM   #28
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Ha.
"Mr. Schwartz, I got it. In the next issue, Hal's fighting Sinestro when he gets the munchies! What will he do?"
Ah, YEAH. Then his weed dealer has to become a GL deputy, Hal gives him a ring and he fights back with psychedelic constructs! Now we just have to get it past the Authority
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Old 02-25-2014, 07:33 PM   #31
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Is this a serious question, of course I am. I used to love the various Rainbow Corps and thought they had some interesting characters, now their just annoying me.

I think I'd like the Green Lantern books to go in a different direction right now.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:35 PM   #32
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Here are the numbers.

GL -- Down to 46k. A healthy number, but worrisome considering that it routinely sold in the 80ks until recently.

The GLC -- Down to 31k. Still not too bad but 50 percent down from a year ago. I'm enjoying seeing John outsell Kyle though. Heh, heh.

The New Guardians -- Down to 26k. It's time to start worrying about this comic. At the rate it's dropping, it'll be below 20k by summer.

The Red Lanterns -- Down to 24k. Putting Guy in this turkey won't save it. It'll be gone within a year.

Larfleeze -- already down to 14k, which is 3k below the cancellation level.

And yes, the Sinestro Corps comic will flop too. Bet on it.
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Here are the numbers.

GL -- Down to 46k. A healthy number, but worrisome considering that it routinely sold in the 80ks until recently.

The GLC -- Down to 31k. Still not too bad but 50 percent down from a year ago. I'm enjoying seeing John outsell Kyle though. Heh, heh.

The New Guardians -- Down to 26k. It's time to start worrying about this comic. At the rate it's dropping, it'll be below 20k by summer.

The Red Lanterns -- Down to 24k. Putting Guy in this turkey won't save it. It'll be gone within a year.

Larfleeze -- already down to 14k, which is 3k below the cancellation level.

And yes, the Sinestro Corps comic will flop too. Bet on it.
If you're going to post sales numbers we need context, for example how does the following factor in:

1) The overall trend for comic book sales across the entire industry to decrease as time goes on?
2) The effect of Geoff Johns leaving Green Lantern as writer and the entire GL-Franchise as showrunner, since he is a name writer that guarantees a certain number of sales while the current creatives teams are most certainty not.
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If you're going to post sales numbers we need context, for example how does the following factor in:

1) The overall trend for comic book sales across the entire industry to decrease as time goes on?
2) The effect of Geoff Johns leaving Green Lantern as writer and the entire GL-Franchise as showrunner, since he is a name writer that guarantees a certain number of sales while the current creatives teams are most certainty not.
This will put it in some context for you. The Red Lanterns was ranked #59 among all comics last June, with sales of 34k. By January it had plummeted to #92, with sales of 24k.

The emotional spectrum is just not strong enough a concept to build a franchise around. The strength of Green Lantern, to me, has always been that you have several characters who are over with the fans and who could carry titles. You don't need a gimmick like the emotional spectrum. Just intelligently use what's already there. I demonstrated that with my script for an Alan Scott title.
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The Sinestro Corps ongoing will flop. Not as fast as Larfleeze did, but it'll flop pretty fast. Now take a look at my Alan Scott script. That comic wouldn't flop. It would sell.
I'm not sure if I've ever asked this before, but home many comics or books have you written and sold?(Honest question). You always seem to be very sure of yourself.
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I'm not sure if I've ever asked this before, but home many comics or books have you written and sold?(Honest question). You always seem to be very sure of yourself.
Hi, Trigger. Say hello to Roy for me.

For your purposes, I've written two scripts. If you think that what DC is publishing is better than they are, then you're entitled to think so, and to feel confident about your opinion.
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As far as Goeff being a big name. You have to remember that Green Lantern is where he launched himself into superstardom. Yes he had sucesses on other titles,but Rebirth is what made him,one of the most biggest names in comics. So basically Rebirth being his first few issue on Green Lantern were the biggest selling Green Lantern books of all time. Give the man his props.


Yes there are other factors,but they don't make as huge of a diffrence as some people are making out. DC should take note to Green Lantern's falling rank amongst other titles. because most of the industry trends effect the other books just as much.


GL is not doing as well as it did. so what dose that mean right now? Well it is still selling pretty good all things considered. however it could be doing better. There is no cause for alarm yet but it may be in the title's best intrest to try something a little diffrent.
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As far as Goeff being a big name. You have to remember that Green Lantern is where he launched himself into superstardom. Yes he had sucesses on other titles,but Rebirth is what made him,one of the most biggest names in comics. So basically Rebirth being his first few issue on Green Lantern were the biggest selling Green Lantern books of all time. Give the man his props.


Yes there are other factors,but they don't make as huge of a diffrence as some people are making out. DC should take note to Green Lantern's falling rank amongst other titles. because most of the industry trends effect the other books just as much.


GL is not doing as well as it did. so what dose that mean right now? Well it is still selling pretty good all things considered. however it could be doing better. There is no cause for alarm yet but it may be in the title's best intrest to try something a little diffrent.
I TOTALLY give Geoff his props! He believed in this property when none of the higher-ups at DC did, and he won them over. And he turned GL into a big deal, which it certainly was not when he started writing it.

What I have a problem with, mainly, is something that's bigger than the corps and wars. It's the idea that you have to involve the whole DCU in order to have a "good story." That's just a flat-out bad itdea, and it's what I tried to show in the scripts I wrote. What you need in a story is a star and a good supporting cast. You don't need 30 stars.

And you can write a very serious story but put some funny stuff in it too. In fact, generally speaking, that's what you should do. I also tried to demonstrate that,

And you don't need a gigantic canvas to tell every story either. Very often when you do that, your characters cease to be characters and become statistics.
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Something else I tried to show is that the blown-up panels in today's comics suck. You'll notice that I was able to tell quite a bit of story in 20 pages, which you almost never get in any issue nowadays.
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Something else I tried to show is that the blown-up panels in today's comics suck. You'll notice that I was able to tell quite a bit of story in 20 pages, which you almost never get in any issue nowadays.
Having read your scripts, something I would recommend is checking out the glossary of comic book script writing terms - http://forum.webcomicscommunity.com/index.php?topic=799

Something else to change, in terms of an artist looking at your script and having it easier to scroll through is to capitalize your dialogue, captions, and sound effects.
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Having read your scripts, something I would recommend is checking out the glossary of comic book script writing terms - http://forum.webcomicscommunity.com/index.php?topic=799

Something else to change, in terms of an artist looking at your script and having it easier to scroll through is to capitalize your dialogue, captions, and sound effects.
I copied it from the format that ron marz uses. hey...
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I copied it from the format that ron marz uses. hey...
Read a couple, and it works. He utilizes bolding instead of capitalization. Didn't mean to provide unwanted advice, I've just been through the script writing and editing process. Along with artist collaboration and thought I'd share.
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Read a couple, and it works. He utilizes bolding instead of capitalization. Didn't mean to provide unwanted advice, I've just been through the script writing and editing process. Along with artist collaboration and thought I'd share.
Thanks.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:41 AM   #44
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I'm tired of GL's just hanging out on OA/Mogo until the next big thing comes along. It sure would be neat seeing GL's actually patrol their sectors. I'm also frustrated with the fact that it takes at least 10 GL's to take down one lowly villain anymore.

I can't stand the depowering of the Corps. Mainly the phone battery type of charge these rings have. I liked it much better when GL's had 24 hrs of power no matter how much they used the rings. GL's could virtually do anything as long as they had the will, now one good shot and the rings power is gone. The only good thing that Johns did power wise for the rings and Vendumy has continued is the no yellow weakness thing.
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I'm tired of GL's just hanging out on OA/Mogo until the next big thing comes along. It sure would be neat seeing GL's actually patrol their sectors. I'm also frustrated with the fact that it takes at least 10 GL's to take down one lowly villain anymore.

I can't stand the depowering of the Corps. Mainly the phone battery type of charge these rings have. I liked it much better when GL's had 24 hrs of power no matter how much they used the rings. GL's could virtually do anything as long as they had the will, now one good shot and the rings power is gone. The only good thing that Johns did power wise for the rings and Vendumy has continued is the no yellow weakness thing.
The yellow weakness was a product of its time, I don't like it. I don't like the 24 hour thing either. I like the idea of a charge lasting until you exhaust it, but Geoff exhausted them too soon.
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The yellow weakness was a product of its time, I don't like it. I don't like the 24 hour thing either. I like the idea of a charge lasting until you exhaust it, but Geoff exhausted them too soon.
I do wonder though what a revamped Goldface would be like. Could he be a cool villain with out the protection of his yellow skin?
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I do wonder though what a revamped Goldface would be like. Could he be a cool villain with out the protection of his yellow skin?
Tht could be interesting,
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That's one of my favorite moments from the O'Neal/Adams run. There is a lot of truth in that image.

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Yeah, there are multiple instances of random Joe Schmoes picking up a ring and using it in the Silver Age stuff. I've been re-reading the early stuff in the Showcase black and white reprints and in one issue alone Hal gives Pie Face a split-off ring he can use (even flies and phases through a wall). In the same issue, Hector steals and uses Hal's ring. And that's just one issue. There were tons more like that.

You're right, and those bothered me far more than the proliferation of rings in the DCU. I remember one of the first instances I saw that was some kid found GL's power ring and was able to use it, and eventually returned it to Hal by willing it to him.

What was worse was Hal closing out that story by saying something like, "I've got to keep my ring somewhere safer than my pocket." Gee, ya don't say?
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Hi, Trigger. Say hello to Roy for me.

For your purposes, I've written two scripts. If you think that what DC is publishing is better than they are, then you're entitled to think so, and to feel confident about your opinion.
I know you've written two scripts. You post about it everywhere. My question was how sure are you that your stuff would sell better than writers who have been doing the comic book dance for some time? (That's why I asked if any of your stuff had been actually published/sold, etc) Hell I trust someone like JohnnyV who is actually putting out a comicbook, etc.
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The yellow weakness was a product of its time, I don't like it. I don't like the 24 hour thing either. I like the idea of a charge lasting until you exhaust it, but Geoff exhausted them too soon.
Well, the per-power use is more logical if the thing actually existed, but I'd definitely rather have the 24 hour charge. I'd do it every few hours plus any time I was about to go on a mission remotely dangerous.

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You're right, and those bothered me far more than the proliferation of rings in the DCU. I remember one of the first instances I saw that was some kid found GL's power ring and was able to use it, and eventually returned it to Hal by willing it to him.

What was worse was Hal closing out that story by saying something like, "I've got to keep my ring somewhere safer than my pocket." Gee, ya don't say?
LOL. IIRC doesn't he later just wear the ring and somehow turn it invisible when he's in civilian mode?
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