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View Poll Results: Is Geoff still pulling the strings? (with the GL books)
Hell no, that's insane 5 11.63%
No 5 11.63%
Probably not 2 4.65%
To some degree, yeah 6 13.95%
Yes 6 13.95%
Are you kidding me? Of course he is 19 44.19%
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Old 12-19-2014, 05:39 PM   #1
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Default Do you feel that Geoff Johns is still pulling the strings on the GL books?



Yes, he's neither the editor or writer or even co-writer of any Green Lantern or Green Lantern-related books... but exactly to what extent is his interactions with the editors and writers of said books? As "Chief Creative Officer," we may have heard the vague broad strokes of it in equally vague interviews but how much do we actually know about what he does on the day to day?

Can we absolutely say with full confidence he has no say and exerts no influence on the Green Lantern books, or any other books? Are we just chalking up the writers of the Green Lantern family of books following his pre-existing pattern (Big Event, Big Event Big Event, all connected at the hip to Geoff's rainbow brigade) to just some coincidence, or writers desperately trying to mimic him?

I'm not so sure. He's always been an "ideas" man... who eventually ran out of ideas. Who's to say that now he's not in his most enjoyable position? You know... he gets to sit back these days, dictate ideas and then let actual writers figure out how to execute them. I've noticed that in every interview with any writer on any GL book since his tenure ended on GL, if asked about how closely they work with Geoff or what his involvement is now, that they almost immediately clam up, stammering out only praise for him before either the subject is changed or they change the subject themself (or otherwise provide a non-answer).

Is he, in fact... the Geoffather?
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Old 12-19-2014, 05:58 PM   #2
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I don't think what he is doing rises anywhere near the level of "pulling the strings". On the other hand I find it equally unlikely that he has ZERO influence, whatsoever. I'd be surprised if he never mentioned to anybody what he thought about GL's current direction, or bounced any ideas around, but I don't think he's getting on the phone and saying, "Do THIS!", which is what "pulling the strings" suggests to me.

And I don't doubt for a second that he has the POTENTIAL influence to, say, put the kibosh on something that is in the works that he REALLY doesn't like. But whether that has ever happened, I haven't the foggiest. And I haven't seen any compelling evidence that he has done so.
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I love that photoshop.

Anyway, I still don't believe he has a true hold on the books, but I do believe he has a reputation that makes the new teams unwilling to completely overwrite his stuff.
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I don't believe anybody has gotten on the GL books without his thumbs-up... and I don't believe -- at the very least -- the writers aren't being prodded to actively consult with Geoff on storylines and most especially these Big Events.

Also veto power over anything and everything in GL -- WB gave him that with the GL movie, I'm pretty sure he has it over the comics.
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I don't believe anybody has gotten on the GL books without his thumbs-up... and I don't believe -- at the very least -- the writers aren't being prodded to actively consult with Geoff on storylines and most especially these Big Events.
Well you might have a point there. He might be involved in who gets hired and put on what books. And he probably dreams up all the the crossovers.

The thing is, by the time he left GL he had made it almost impossible to write any more without a complete reboot. So the damage was already done.
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I had the thought that "Lights Out" was originally supposed to be a way for the current writers to "write out" the other colored Corps, so as to focus on and bring the limelight back on the GLC. But clearly that idea never stuck. You know... if there's 6 less Corps using the Light that will eventually undo the universe, the 1 that is can keep doing what they're doing.

Or was vetoed. Wonder by who.
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It would seem odd that he would be pulling the strings, considering how much the writers have seemingly tried to destroy what was established or introduced in Johns run.
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It would seem odd that he would be pulling the strings, considering how much the writers have seemingly tried to destroy what was established or introduced in Johns run.
But how have they done that? They broke up John and Fatality but they've already set up a reason for them to get back together. Kyle easily could still fulfill his future. The rainbow brigade still remains. Sinestro is still the best ever.

The only thing I see close to what you're talking about is the reservoir concept and even that didn't undo Geoff's continuity.
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Tin foil hat anyone?
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But how have they done that? They broke up John and Fatality but they've already set up a reason for them to get back together. Kyle easily could still fulfill his future. The rainbow brigade still remains. Sinestro is still the best ever.

The only thing I see close to what you're talking about is the reservoir concept and even that didn't undo Geoff's continuity.
Well the entities are all dead now (excluding Parallax) and a lot of concepts that Johns introduced seem more or less like they've been "watered down". The Blue Lantern Corps is also destroyed.

In fact it wouldn't surprise if another corps got destroyed after Godhead.

I believe that Venditti is trying to up Johns run, more than I believe that Johns still has a direct hand in the book, but maybe I just think that because I'm unhappy with the main book currently.
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Johns started the elimination of the entities.

And I don't think the Blues are going to stay dead. There's still one ring. It's on New Genesis, but I don't thing the NGs are going to keep those rings.

Well, I don't feel he has direct control. As I said, I think it's more of an influence thing--like people not wanting to reverse Stan Lee and Jack Kirby at first.
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I really doubt Johns is pulling any strings as he's far too busy now, but I would say that he has a bit of influence, and could possibly be consulted on some of the story arcs. Saying that he's pulling strings is giving him too much credit.
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I don't imagine any writers or artists that have any marquee value will get assigned to the any GL title in the near future. I think that's the extent of his string pulling; making sure that franchise's best success is in the past when he had it.
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I don't imagine any writers or artists that have any marquee value will get assigned to the any GL title in the near future. I think that's the extent of his string pulling; making sure that franchise's best success is in the past when he had it.
I've mentioned this before but it bears repeating. It's a truism in business that you should never let anyone choose his own successor. The reason for that is pretty obvious.
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I don't imagine any writers or artists that have any marquee value will get assigned to the any GL title in the near future. I think that's the extent of his string pulling; making sure that franchise's best success is in the past when he had it.
Name DC's marquee talent.
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Simone. Morrison. Azzarello. Snyder.

That's probably about it without doing what they should be doing by raiding other publisher's talent pools.
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Simone. Morrison. Azzarello. Snyder.

That's probably about it without doing what they should be doing by raiding other publisher's talent pools.
Simone is marquee talent now? Really?

As for the others:

Morrison
  • Has stated that the DC universe post-Flashpoint doesn't appeal to him that much due to the loss of its history, so I'm not sure if he'd even be interested in doing a GL run.
  • Has numerous indie projects on his plate: Annihilator, Nameless, Seaguy, Some unannounced shit with Boom.
  • Also has Wonder Woman: Earth One on his plate.
  • Has been hard at work making sure The Multiversity doesn't get delayed.

Snyder
  • Has stated that he has plans to stay on Batman past issue 50.
  • Also has American Vampire, Batman Eternal and Wytches on his plate
  • Has stated that post-Batman the character he wants to write the most is Wonder Woman

As for Azzarello, if you believe the rumors he'll be writing Green Lantern: Earth One, so you'll get your wish there.

I do agree with you on the bit about DC raiding other companies talent pools, they should be doing that.
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I don't think he is actively influencing the books. I think that the current writers are trying to emulate his style, though, which isn't doing the franchise any favors.
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I think if Geoff wants write and influence GL he can simply tell DC he wants to and they will give it to him.
So no i don't think he is pulling any strings, he might throw in an idea or two but considering the quailty we see at the moment i doubt it.
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Geoff's job as Chief Creative Officer is to make sure that DC's properties translate over to the film, tv, and direct to dvd. He's responsible for the many DC related tv shows that we've seen lately. Those are the only "ideas" he is responsible for, presenting them to the big wigs at WB. The "ideas" guys are DC are Dan Didio, Jim Lee, and Bob Harras. But apparently on this board and others, Geoff Johns is the sole owner and dictator of DC Comics.
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On the flip side, you apparently think he works in a little hermetically sealed bubble and has no contact with anybody that has anything to do with the comics side of things.

See, hyperbole can go both ways!
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I don't think he works in a bubble, however it is ludicrous to think he is trying to sabotage a line.
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I've mentioned this before but it bears repeating. It's a truism in business that you should never let anyone choose his own successor. The reason for that is pretty obvious.
where was it stated that geoff chose venditti to succeed him on GL?
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Old 12-22-2014, 01:27 AM   #25
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I don't think he works in a bubble, however it is ludicrous to think he is trying to sabotage a line.
Oh, I agree with you. But you were basically equating thinking he still has some influence with thinking he is the sole owner and operator of DC. So I thought I'd flip the hyperbole...
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