The J.R.R. Tolkien Thread

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

They couldn't do anything in the Silmarillion because they don't own the rights to it.

I don't think I'd trust them with it anyway.

[Booster Beetle Will break before he bends Find all posts View Profile Close Booster Beetle]

Me neither, it'd be pretty damn difficult to make it work

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

Tolkein essentially wrote the treatments for two more trilogies. The Akallabeth is much more sketchy, but the story is there.

It would be as easy to make two trilogies by fleshing out those blueprints as it was to make a trilogy from The Lord of the Rings, which involved cutting stuff out, giving female characters more to do and adding some humor. And even easier than it was to make three movies out of The Hobbit, which was very much a stretch.

I've had my fill of the slo-mo battle scenes though. Those need a rest.

[Lantern of Gallifrey Senior Corps Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lantern of Gallifrey]

I don't think I'd trust them with it anyway.

Ditto

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

Re the battle scenes: In the LOTR books, when Frodo and Sam get separated from the others at the end of TFOTR and meet Gollum, the story divides into two alternating parts, and the part with Frodo, Sam and Gollum is much better than the other part. Peter Jackson used the battle scenes as Hamburger Helper to jazz up the other part, and it worked very well. But before The Hobbit had ended, you had seen too many battles. If any more movies are made, that needs to be kept to a minimum, and in fact I'd like to see the slo-mo technique abandoned entirely.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Re the battle scenes: In the LOTR books, when Frodo and Same get separated from the others at the end of TFOTR and meet Gollum, the story divides into two alternating parts . . .

Yeah, Tolkien conceived of the LotR as a giant novel in six parts (TFOTR divides before and after Rivendell), but his publisher insisted it be published in three parts.

[Booster Beetle Will break before he bends Find all posts View Profile Close Booster Beetle]

Good god Lurtz is even more of an ugly sumbitch on Blu-Ray

Also, Gandalf the Grey > Gandalf the White

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

I think it would be for the best to let the Middle Earth cinematic world end now. Hobbit and LOTR were the only things well loved enough to adapt anyway.

[Trey Strain Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Trey Strain]

I think it would be for the best to let the Middle Earth cinematic world end now. Hobbit and LOTR were the only things well loved enough to adapt anyway.

Ah but The Silmarillion and The Akallabeth don't take place in Middle Earth. They take place in the western realm. No hobbits, no dwarves, no orcs, no trolls. I imagine no dragons either. Just elves and humans.

[buffalorock Star Sapphire's Love Slave Find all posts View Profile Close buffalorock]

Yeah I would love to see at least some of those First and Second Age stories adapted. The way the Fall of Gondolin was written could be beautifully executed on film.

[Booster Beetle Will break before he bends Find all posts View Profile Close Booster Beetle]

I agree with Dave

[Agent Purple The Illustrated Man Find all posts View Profile Close Agent Purple]

Ah but The Silmarillion and The Akallabeth don't take place in Middle Earth. They take place in the western realm. No hobbits, no dwarves, no orcs, no trolls. I imagine no dragons either. Just elves and humans.

Not true. Silmarillion has plenty of dwarves and orcs, and Glaurung wrecks a ton of shit here and there, and that's before Ancalagon the Black shows up.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

I remember in Silm. that the Dwarves were actually made before the Elves (though this was considered a mistake and they were put in hibernation), which made me very happy because they were always my favorite.

[Lantern of Gallifrey Senior Corps Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lantern of Gallifrey]

And it does take place in Middle-earth. Just because Beleriand was destroyed doesn't mean it wasn't Middle-earth. And I don't believe any humans ever went to the "western realm".

On another note here is a good video that tells a lot about the Shire. I however still can not, for the life of me, figure out how to post a freaking video.
https://youtu.be/9lvC2bNplsg

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

And it does take place in Middle-earth. Just because Beleriand was destroyed doesn't mean it wasn't Middle-earth. And I don't believe any humans ever went to the "western realm".

Yeah, it's Middle Earth or a proto-Middle Earth if you will (like the equivalent of pre-Continental Drift). You can even spot geographic overlap by comparing the maps.