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Old 08-08-2016, 03:24 AM   #1
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Question How Long Has It Been....?

I know in comics sooner or later people get tired of the same old same old. However since Volume 4 of Green Lantern, Sinestro Corps War, Blackest Night, etc. things haven't been even remotely close to what they used to be. With Superman he always returns to Metropolis, you see Jimmy Olsen and Lois on a regular basis, etc. Even now with Superman and Clark Kent existing as two separate people it's still very much a traditional Superman story because all the same faces are there in some form or another. Kent works at the 'Planet, Jimmy still takes pictures, and Perry White is still one of the bosses.

To get to the point of the topic though, how long has it been since our favorite Lantern's have been written as they were in their prime?

* How long has it been since Hal's flew a plane on Earth?

* How long has it been since Kyle Rayner picked up a sketchpad and had a cup of coffee?

* How long has it been since Tom Kalmaku or Ferris Aircraft have even had a mention?

* How long has it been since Guy Gardner made an ass of himself in front of other superheroes?

* How long has it been since John's architect experience meant anything?

I think with multiple crossovers, multiple colored Corps', and not one but TWO new Earth Lanterns debuting recently the focus on the Green Lanterns we all know and love has taken a turn for the worse. I know it's been this way for awhile, but as a Kyle and Guy fan mostly I just haven't been seeing enough to keep me interested in the line anymore. Superman comics don't go on 3-5 year periods where the Daily Planet isn't around. Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane never disappear for very long. And I don't think I've ever known Clark Kent to become a traveling insurance salesman or live off-world for extended periods. It's the characters that sold me on the comics, not the plots, and certainly not the crossovers. Lately though the Lanterns have all been cardboard cutouts with barely any traits remaining to define who they are.

When will we get back to what made the Lanterns who they are? When [if ever] will we see the pilot, the artist, the jock, and the architect make a return? Hal making a mention of being a pilot and making a jet construct doesn't mean squat if readers only see him in the cockpit of an actual plane once or twice every 5-10 years. Lately it seems like the Earth Lanterns can't even come home long enough to take a piss.

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Old 08-08-2016, 04:34 AM   #2
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This makes me sad. GL isn't really in touch with what has made it popular with generations of fans over the decades. The only downtime moments Hal has are with his brother Jim and his family, usually minutes before someone tries to murder them. And why won't they bring back his brother Jack and his family? With all of the continuity they have ignored, I would forgive any stupidity to see all 3 of the Famous Jordan Brothers together again.
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Old 08-08-2016, 06:44 AM   #3
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I agree with the original post. People often talk about how Geoff Johns gets to the core of the characters he works on and brings out what makes them work, and they often cite Green Lantern as the prime example, but that's not really what he did in the long run. He turned Green Lantern into something near entirely different than what it was. To this day, Green Lantern hasn't broken out of the mold Johns shaped it into, but rather it has just become that mold, and the pre-Johns stuff is only a rarely referenced memory. There's no room for any of the stuff mentioned in the OP when there are "epic" color wars to fight, where everyone has a ring.

Admittedly, DC found something that was selling in print and just stuck with it, so I can understand the rationale. And yet, that stuff doesn't seem to be selling especially well anymore, at least not without Geoff Johns to write it, so it's high time for another approach and take, in my opinion. One that isn't afraid to totally divorce itself from what Geoff Johns did. I don't believe Green Lantern will hit its next stride by trying to relive something that has already been quite played out in recent history.
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Old 08-08-2016, 02:41 PM   #4
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I agree with the original post. People often talk about how Geoff Johns gets to the core of the characters he works on and brings out what makes them work, and they often cite Green Lantern as the prime example, but that's not really what he did in the long run. He turned Green Lantern into something near entirely different than what it was. To this day, Green Lantern hasn't broken out of the mold Johns shaped it into, but rather it has just become that mold, and the pre-Johns stuff is only a rarely referenced memory. There's no room for any of the stuff mentioned in the OP when there are "epic" color wars to fight, where everyone has a ring.

Admittedly, DC found something that was selling in print and just stuck with it, so I can understand the rationale. And yet, that stuff doesn't seem to be selling especially well anymore, at least not without Geoff Johns to write it, so it's high time for another approach and take, in my opinion. One that isn't afraid to totally divorce itself from what Geoff Johns did. I don't believe Green Lantern will hit its next stride by trying to relive something that has already been quite played out in recent history.

I couldn't agree with this entire post more. You said it perfectly, or at least said what I am thinking perfectly.
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Old 08-08-2016, 11:07 PM   #5
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All great points here. The mythology which made the characters successful, compelling and endearing have been all but forgotten about in favor of long, "event-based" story arcs where the main Lanterns and their personalities get lost in the shuffle. The way I see it, Hal hasn't really been Hal since Sinestro Corps War, although he did get in some family time at the end of the "Renegade" arc.

With Guy, I don't mind him being, well, not himself. This shows a bit of evolution and maturity to his character (or perhaps lazy writing). Still, you can't be an immature, obnoxious ass forever.
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With Guy, I don't mind him being, well, not himself. This shows a bit of evolution and maturity to his character (or perhaps lazy writing). Still, you can't be an immature, obnoxious ass forever.
C'mon now, when your family gets together for the holidays there's always that one obnoxious asshole [and even though I don't have a large family, there's actually a couple in mine LOL]. Sure, one year he may be quieter than the last, but he's still known as the 'asshole.' Guy will always think he's the tough guy, he was the jock, and he's practically all testosterone. Even during his Warrior days, horrible look and powers aside, he was still giving attitude to everyone who thought they were more badass and never backed down. He talked smack to Orion and planned to back it up if the New God dared. Sure he probably would've lost, but like Batman KO'ing him, sometimes Guy needs to be checked in the heat of a moment.

The writers always had Hal fly by the seat of his pants, but for me he was always forming a plan mid-flight. Guy was full on reckless and would go in guns blazing no matter what the circumstances or powers.

I had hopes for Red Guy, but then when he went back to being a Red Lantern it just got stupid like Hal as a Renegade in a trench coat after five minutes.

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Old 08-09-2016, 04:03 AM   #7
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It's interesting how different things were a long time ago, and how aware the writers were of the continuity back then, and how well they built upon it. For example, characters and concepts like Kari Limbo, Evergreen City, Pol Manning, Katma Tui, Old-Timer, Rich Davis, Olivia Reynolds... they didn't just disappear. Most of those examples actually spanned decades and were used by various writers. Even when writers added on with things like Rose Hardin and the Mosaic world, Evergreen City and Old-Timer were right there, still being used. It didn't seem like an entirely different mythology. Nowadays, it is hard to imagine ANY of that stuff being brought up again. When I think about what Green Lantern is now, with Atrocitus and Bleez, and Larfleez, and all this stuff, it REALLY does seem like something near totally different. I thought it was the most ironic thing in the world when I watched a video of Geoff Johns saying that before he came on Green Lantern, it didn't feel like Green Lantern and he was there to fix that. To me, his Green Lantern is the furthest Green Lantern has felt like Green Lantern, especially since it's so all encompassing.

People say that Geoff Johns grew the mythology, but in a way... he kind of overwrote it. Sure, a writer can use that old stuff again (if editorial lets them), but seeing how it's so hard to imagine someone doing it now is really telling. The writers would likely have to do a sharp turn away from what Green Lantern has become in the last decade or so to really do something worthwhile with those old concepts.
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Old 08-09-2016, 08:20 AM   #8
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Hal Jordan as a pilot and Kyle Rayner the NYC artist are old concepts now. Yet Superman still works at the Daily Planet, Batman is still super rich, Barry is still a CSI nerd, etc.

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Old 08-09-2016, 02:15 PM   #9
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Hal Jordan as a pilot and Kyle Rayner the NYC artist are old concepts now. Yet Superman still works at the Daily Planet, Batman is still super rich, Barry is still a CSI nerd, etc.

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To be fair, before Rebirth, Clark hadn't worked at the Planet for more than a couple years.
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Old 08-09-2016, 02:31 PM   #10
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I think most of these "new voices" in comics however fresh they may be, didn't grow up comics people. As much as they may binge the previous writers' work, there is going to be a lot of nuance and development that gets glossed over.

As a lot of these veterans that were there when a lot of stories were being written age or become disgruntled with the publisher, I think this is the kind of thing readers get stuck with.

It almost seems were are in a 90s type decade where everything has to be cool again and they are trying whatever they can to make something stick.
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Old 09-26-2016, 01:52 AM   #11
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Precisely why, for the last two years, I've been living in my own world of fan fiction...writing stories "between the lines" of the classics. It's been a lot of fun. Haven't bought a new comic in ages, and sold everything New 52 in my collection (except Lanterns up to #20).

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Precisely why, for the last two years, I've been living in my own world of fan fiction...writing stories "between the lines" of the classics. It's been a lot of fun. Haven't bought a new comic in ages, and sold everything New 52 in my collection (except Lanterns up to #20).

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Good to see you. You can always pop in and talk the old stuff or talk non-GL stuff. There are actually a number of users here that don't read the titles anymore.
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Old 09-26-2016, 01:11 PM   #13
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Yeah I haven't bought anything new since the #6 issues of the New52 titles. The only titles I continued to buy eventually got canned anyway...

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Old 09-27-2016, 11:49 AM   #14
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I think Geoff did a good job early in his run balancing the Earth and space stories but after how big a hit Sinestro Corps was DC probably wanted him to keep the book focused more in space. And to be fair, if you think about it that's what really makes Green Lantern special compared to the other super heroes because he's intergalactic and not just bound to earth and even if we don't like it the book sold really well at the time.

I still think we need the earth scenes to keep the GL's grounded and I liked how Geoff showed how Hal being away for so long led to ramifications in his life but then Venditti came along and made it clear when he started his run he wanted to stay away from earth. I like what he's done with Rebirth so far but if it was up to me they should go back to how it was before new52 and just have a main Green Lantern title and then the Green Lantern Corps book. The main title would star Hal and be set primarily on earth and then GLC would star John and Guy and be set in space. I thought that formula worked great when Johns and Tomasi did it so I hope we can get rid of Simon and Jessica and return to that some day.
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I think Geoff did a good job early in his run balancing the Earth and space stories but after how big a hit Sinestro Corps was DC probably wanted him to keep the book focused more in space. And to be fair, if you think about it that's what really makes Green Lantern special compared to the other super heroes because he's intergalactic and not just bound to earth and even if we don't like it the book sold really well at the time. . .
In the Silver Age, I really liked the arc where Hal was banished to space for a year or whatever. The alien stuff was what I liked best (though I also liked a lot of his earth-bound baddies).
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With Guy, I don't mind him being, well, not himself. This shows a bit of evolution and maturity to his character (or perhaps lazy writing). Still, you can't be an immature, obnoxious ass forever.
Oh, they still love to portray Guy as an insufferable asshole. Johns made sure bring that back after Beau Smith matured Guy and had him mellow out and reflect on his previous behaviour. Nope he's got to be an asshole again. Because some hack at DC wants him that way.
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I just want the classic feel again. I want to see Kilowog, Salaak, Tomar-Tu and other other alien Lanterns. I want to see Saint Walker again. I want to see an adventure filled with plenty of other lanterns without it being just another big corps crossover event.
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In the Silver Age, I really liked the arc where Hal was banished to space for a year or whatever. The alien stuff was what I liked best (though I also liked a lot of his earth-bound baddies).
Technically that was the bronze age, but yeah that was an interesting and good arc, especially since it gave Hal some character development, and there was a lot of nice feel of mystery going on in space (the 70's / 80's art helped a lot too).
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Old 12-28-2016, 05:35 PM   #19
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I think John was showing his architecture chops when they were rebuilding on Mogo not long ago. Still, they tend to emphasize John's marine background more anyway (which they do a lot). The closest we got to seeing Hal fly a jet was of course a few issues ago when he was flying a construct. A nod here or there seems to be the best we can get these days rather than show any of them actually having a life.
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As much as I've been enjoying Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps so far, I kinda wish DC would've just hit the restart button and put everything back to normal when Rebirth started. Hal would star in the Green Lantern title with him being back on earth working at Ferris Air, dealing with both earth and space villains like in Geoff's early run. This way he could also be apart of the Justice League too because they love to use the excuse that Hal's not around and on the team because he's always off Earth. And then we would have the GLC title which would star Guy and John as members of the honor guard with the Guardians back leading the Corps from Oa like how it was before.
I think the Green Lantern universe was at it's best when we just had those two books. To me because of how disconnected Green Lanterns feels from HJ&GLC and because it stars two characters most GL fans don't care about, it feels like we really only have one GL book right now. And they pretty much have every character stuffed in this one book and I'm not a big fan of that.
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