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Old 05-24-2012, 01:50 AM   #1
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Sorry if this subject has been discussed before, but I'm new here and after some searching, I didn't find it, so here it is :

I often see people complaining about Johns, and I'm a "new" GL reader (started in blackest night). I admit my background is mostly marvel, and they have Bendis. I don't want to make a VS thread, but I understand all the complaints about Bendis and it's clear he disrespect his fans and continuity, and I'm the first to hope he'll stop polluting the comic industry, but Johns ?

Why do people seem to hate him so much ? I really liked what I read from him, and he's so better than Bendis and than a great bunch of writers also IMO. Please help me understand.
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Old 05-24-2012, 02:05 AM   #2
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Bendis doesn't skullf*ck my childhood like Johns does.

All my memories are pregnant.
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Let me put it this way, Kilowog:

Geoff Johns rewrites so much continuity (of virtually every book DC publishes) that we might was well start saying as fact that he invented DC altogether.
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Sorry if this subject has been discussed before, but I'm new here and after some searching, I didn't find it, so here it is :

I often see people complaining about Johns, and I'm a "new" GL reader (started in blackest night). I admit my background is mostly marvel, and they have Bendis. I don't want to make a VS thread, but I understand all the complaints about Bendis and it's clear he disrespect his fans and continuity, and I'm the first to hope he'll stop polluting the comic industry, but Johns ?

Why do people seem to hate him so much ? I really liked what I read from him, and he's so better than Bendis and than a great bunch of writers also IMO. Please help me understand.
The bitching mainly stems from older fans who hate that their "continuity" no longer exists.

and Bendis does not disrespect his fans. I've actually met the man and he's awesome and down to earth, same with Johns. Johns gave me a doughnut
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i like johns but i do have some issues with some of his stuff

i admit im not a long time reader like alot of people on the board are
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:40 AM   #6
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Let me put it this way:

Geoff "Yellow Bug" Johns.
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Old 05-24-2012, 03:48 AM   #7
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Let me put it this way:

Geoff "Yellow Bug" Johns.
Let's face doing what they did to Hal was bullshit in ET.

Geoff Johns brought more readers to GL than any other writer before him.
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and Bendis does not disrespect his fans. I've actually met the man and he's awesome and down to earth, same with Johns. Johns gave me a doughnut
I'm sure people said the same thing about Warren G. Harding.
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Problems, or atleast mine, actually started around Blackest Night. Seems like the events he creates always has to have a foreshadowing and a character who is possessed in some way. Then there's the villains that always has to be changed. Black Hand, Nekron, and Krona are a bit different to completely different than who they used to be, and not because they evolved or changed, but because their original versions didn't quite fit Geoff's plots, and instead of finding ways to tell a story of how they changed their goals, or creating a new character not based on the past, he just ups and bastardize them. The first story of Nekron was more unique than Geoff's, and the continued story of Krona had cosmic gold that now will be forever lost.
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I've been a huge fan of Johns since Rebirth but to me his writting on GL started to go downhill at the end of War Of The Green Lanterns. And then when the relaunch happened he lost me completelly, simply put the current GL book is a shell of what the book was during Volume 4 and I can't figure out why he thought this was the right direction to go in after all the success of the past 6 years. I still see the old Geoff Johns in Aquaman which is a great book, but in both GL and JLA I have no idea who that guy is and why the books which should be great reads both are horrible.
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Old 05-24-2012, 01:38 PM   #11
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Sorry if this subject has been discussed before, but I'm new here and after some searching, I didn't find it, so here it is :
I often see people complaining about Johns, and I'm a "new" GL reader (started in blackest night). I admit my background is mostly marvel, and they have Bendis. I don't want to make a VS thread, but I understand all the complaints about Bendis and it's clear he disrespect his fans and continuity, and I'm the first to hope he'll stop polluting the comic industry, but Johns ?
Is this because of my welcome post? I just wanted to give you a heads up. You would've come across this after a bit.

I'm somewhere in between: Geoff Johns is neither the best nor worst thing to happen to comics, imho.

The "problem" is that he does extensive retcons (which he freely admits, btw) and then justifies his further actions by them. This is so common that around here we call them Geoffcons. For instance, Sinestro used to be a crooked GL that became a mass murderer. Johns tones that down and makes him the greatest GL ever so he could make him a GL again and say "see, he's redeemable, he's really a good lantern." Several of us fear he is doing the same thing to the Guardians of the Universe. They were always detached and a little jerky, but now they're becoming outright villains. We think he might (don't know for sure yet) get rid of them and then say "look, they were always villains, you don't want them around." There are many more things like this. The detractors will say he's ruining classic Green Lantern and the fans will say he's revitalizing it for this century. It's up to you.

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I'm sure people said the same thing about Warren G. Harding.
Warren G. Harding gave out donuts?
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In his first several years, Johns was an excellent superhero comic book writer. He was a fanboy; kind of our guy on the inside, righting wrongs, and fixing mistakes by previous creative teams. In JSA he brought Extant to justice, fixed Hawkman, and saved Rex Tyler.

Sometime after the SCW (and honestly, before that), his focus became less on good storytelling, and more on event and plot driven stories. I'd now firmly call Geoff Johns the Michael Bay of comics...who also uses a shitload of unnecessary retcons.
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:40 PM   #13
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Geoff Johns : Michael Bay :: Retcons : Explosions
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Old 05-24-2012, 04:51 PM   #14
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I actully don't mind Johns. I hate retcons, but the actual storys are good. And why everyone hates the "Hal got infected by a yellow bug" realy pussles me. I like the whole concept of emotional entitys and just like Ion currently has a host, I want parallax to own a host!
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:14 PM   #15
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Geoff Johns : Michael Bay :: Retcons : Explosions
This should actually be Geoff:Retcons :: Michael Bay:Explosions
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Old 05-24-2012, 05:37 PM   #16
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Or the first line in my signature...
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LOL true but there'd be no Starks left by now.
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Geoff Johns : Michael Bay :: Retcons : Explosions
Oh, for the love of Aphrodite, it goes like this:


Geoff Johns : Michael Bay :: Retcons : Explosions : Naked Women : Bullets
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I liked what Geoff Johns brought to the table at first in Gl, but now the man needs thrown off the title... nothing makes since and he keeps chanhing shit!!!
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In his first several years, Johns was an excellent superhero comic book writer. He was a fanboy; kind of our guy on the inside, righting wrongs, and fixing mistakes by previous creative teams. In JSA he brought Extant to justice, fixed Hawkman, and saved Rex Tyler.

Sometime after the SCW (and honestly, before that), his focus became less on good storytelling, and more on event and plot driven stories. I'd now firmly call Geoff Johns the Michael Bay of comics...who also uses a shitload of unnecessary retcons.
Geoff retcons his own stories, some times just 2 or 3 issues later which which spawnned this new word Geoffcon

my main beef is that he ends up pushing Tomasi one of the best character writers DC has to do big event stuff and Tomasi's skill at diving into character is lost....

some of my favorite scenes in Kyles run where the guys hanging out a Warriors shooting the breeze. not big giant battles, there can't be a huge battel every day of the week
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I like Johns. Hell, I LOVED Blackest Night. I just havent liked most of the stuff after that. Brightest Day was a huge let down.
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I blame the fact that I couldn't give a rat's ass about Green Lantern on Johns. Been over a year since I've been trying to get into the damn book and there hasn't been a good story yet.

And it's not like I need complexity in my comics. I mean, I'm loving Uncanny X-Force for crying out loud. Just...give me something to care about, Johns.
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The better question is... what's not wrong?

The entire GL corner has been locked into Event Mode since the first issue of the Sinestro Corps War with no reverse gears. If there are "story arcs" anymore, he seems to mandate that they must somehow tie into the "bigger story" that ultimately becomes the Next Big Event, the endings of which invariably all end with a circle-jerk of a "To be continued/concluded... in the NEXT, Next Big Event... maybe!"

He's both GL's biggest savior and its biggest enemy. It's a strange thing, but I think it's time for him to let the reins go and I'm eager to see what the next creative team will bring to the table.

He's gotten a bit better about splash pages and issues that only take 2 minutes to read, but not much.
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While I do admit Brightest Day was a let down for the most part I'd say Johns is still in my good graces. If there was one complaint I'd have about his run it would be how quickly we lost the different interactions between the different color Corps. i.e. Blue Rings drains Yellow...etc.

And I love Bendis. Even his talky talky issues. I will admit there are times when his issues start to fall into a bit of a lull and right when I think I'm ready to bail he does something to pull me back in.
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Well I would prefer Judd writes on Gl alittle more when u mixed alittle action of what's to come in the near future and some space for the lanterns say a date or family stories? What about telling a short story of some of the lanterns past?! That would be cool! Guess as a fan Of Gl books I would want more of Characters, personal life events than a rushed mainevent? It would be a Change To the Gl universe if Geoff leaves and make Gl books as nice to read as batman! Hal is the main star of Gl books with Sinestro taking over of the driver seat, isit time to write a guess star storyline with Hal or other lanterns say John and teen titans? In a 5 part event?! I think it has his wow factor! Please write John not just a military guy, his got attitude and a good stategy leader! Hopes someone can write him stronger and not weak after his trial?! Or play switch roles and put Hal and Sin in Oa and let Tomasi write a story arc on them? Geoff writes Guy, John and Kyle for a stroy arc?! That seems fun read!
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