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View Poll Results: Who should be Kyle's new arch-enemy?
Parallax [with new host] 6 28.57%
Fatality [without Sapphire ring] 2 9.52%
Oblivion 10 47.62%
Purgatory 3 14.29%
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Old 05-29-2011, 02:31 AM   #1
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It sucks that Kyle's original two arch enemies have been killed. Nero as shot in the head by an Alpha Lantern and Effigy was melted or something and put in an old lantern behind the HOLLYWOOD sign IIRC by the Spectre.

From the short list of Kyle era villains, who would you want him to have as an arch for the foreseeable future?

Parallax - Kyle's first arch was originally Parallax inside of Hal. The entity could always come after Kyle inside of another host. What if the grasshopper jumped inside of John for a bit?!?

Fatality - If this chick lost the SS ring and took up her guns and ammo she could be an arch for BOTH Kyle and John. She's a cool Sapphire but she was so much more badass when she was packing that staff and gear to take down Lanterns.

Oblivion - This was Kyle's nightmares given life across the universe when Kyle began tapping into the Ion power for the first time. He pretty much had the one big event leading to the first Ion arc where he showed up in a couple of panels. IIRC at some point in the Circle of Fire series, Oblivion shifted from his usual horned self to a darker Kyle Rayner. I always thought that was cool.

Purgatory - This was a guy introduced around the Underworld Unleashed event. Kyle gave a man without legs a little power to create construct legs. When he lost them climbing the stairs of the Statue of Liberty he was approached by Neron who gave him incredible power including legs, in return for the death of Kyle Rayner/GL. After Kyle had cured him of his curse momentarily, Neron took him from this plane of existence to his hellish dimension. Hasn't been seen since as far as I know.

What do you guys think? I wanna see more villains outside of stuff relating to the rest of the skittles Corps'.

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Kyle's list of villains was pretty weak, especially if Effigy and Nero were the cream of the crop. I couldn't vote for anybody in the poll the list is so bad (not your fault obviously). Major Force was a good one but he was only good for that time. It doesn't work now.
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Kyle's list of villains was pretty weak, especially if Effigy and Nero were the cream of the crop.
Until he was rewritten most would've said the same of Sinestro.
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Old 05-29-2011, 03:44 AM   #4
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I think Sonar would be nice. By default as he's the last of Kyle's enemies left. Unless Greyven is still around. He's only half New God, so that might be the case. Leftovers from the Effigy Corps might be nice, although their powers aren't especially unique now.

Sadly, I think Nero is the one villain that could have had staying power. The guy was totally about fear! With him out all the rest are just second choices.
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Until he was rewritten most would've said the same of Sinestro.
I agree. As much as I loved the guy, he was a joke over the decades. His motivation was never goodenough and he was too one dimensionally eeeeeeevvil. Johns getting ahold of him was the best thing that has ever happened to Sinestro as a character. In fact, he even works well as a Kyle villain now on some levels.
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Kyle's list of villains was pretty weak, especially if Effigy and Nero were the cream of the crop. I couldn't vote for anybody in the poll the list is so bad (not your fault obviously). Major Force was a good one but he was only good for that time. It doesn't work now.
Before Geoff came to GL characters like Black Hand, the Tattooed Man, etc. were all jokes. I mean.... a guy with tattoos in a cape?!? I just listed the villains that I considered to be a big deal within the context of Kyle's career that are capable of being a recurring arch villain of sorts.

Honestly, for me, it was a toss up between Parallax and Oblivion. I went with the big O because there's potential there that's been unexplored.

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None... no one at DC cares about Kyle enough to give him an enemy
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None... no one at DC cares about Kyle enough to give him an enemy
Right now. In fact, the people at DC not only don't care enough to give Kyle new enemies, but they went out of their way to systematically wipe out all of his existing enemies -- Nero, Effigy, Grayven, all wiped out and just in the past few years alone.
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Kyle's archenemy is and always will be DC
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I wouldn't like to see the same Oblivion that we saw in Circle of Fire but I like the idea for a returning pest to the GLC. Presumably if it can happen to one lantern it can happen to all of them and each corps men's own Oblivion would be totally different from the last as it's a reflection of personal demons made manifest in the ring. It could be some kind of malevolent conciousness that jumps from ring to ring in order to find a lantern whose neurosis and faults are enough to overpower the original.

Problem with that idea is if it can happen to every member of the corps then there is no reason to stop at just one. It would have to be a massive event (which I think we have had more than enough of). The only plus side of which is it could star the GLC as a whole and not the same 4 earth lanterns.
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why not a NEW one..
called him De.Construct!!..he would be created by Parallax in simiar form of the "Horned" Oblivion and he will be "deconstructing" Kyle' life bringing him to the brink of madness... call him "DC" for short

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Major Force.
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Kyle's not alone in having no real enemies anymore. Who are Guy's major enemies? Or John's?
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Major Force.
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Kyle's not alone in having no real enemies anymore. Who are Guy's major enemies? Or John's?
Guy's nemesis at this point would be the red ring itself or maybe Balphunga. Again, the history is there we just haven't seen the big B since the riot in the Sciencells.

I would say Fatality is mainly a John villain, even if she is being nicer with a Sapphire. Th history will always be there until one of them dies.

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If a hero is only as good as his villain, Guy and John don't have much to hang their hats on. They are both about 10 pegs down from Kyle and Hal in that regard.
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Balphunga isn't much of a villain.

I remember Guy's clone wound up being a reacurring villain, sort of a "this is how you used to be" sort of thing. But even he's lost his edge since everyone has rings now. And Guy's pretty much back to how he used to be. the clone's no longer special.

John stumps me, though. Never read all of Mosaic, maybe there's a villain with a special hate for Jhon there? Fatality is a natural Jhon villain as opposed to a Kyle villain, but she's been redeemed. It's wierd that Jhon has been around for so long and hasn't really made any enemies.
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John stumps me, though. Never read all of Mosaic, maybe there's a villain with a special hate for Jhon there?
Mosaic wasn't really about good guys vs. villains.
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Does Guy have any villians for that matter?
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why not a NEW one..
called him De.Construct!!..he would be created by Parallax in simiar form of the "Horned" Oblivion and he will be "deconstructing" Kyle' life bringing him to the brink of madness... call him "DC" for short

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Major Force. Captain Atom doesn't have his own series, but more importantly, Major Force has done FAR worse things to Kyle than to Captain Atom. Plus, Captain Atom has sort of progressed passed fighting guys like Major Force since he became Monarch.

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