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Old 02-17-2014, 03:28 AM   #1
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Default I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE...but will have to.

Issue #28 of GREEN LANTERN should be the final nail in Billy Tan's coffin. I can't take this guy's art anymore. He's sloppy, off-model, inconsistent and just plain bad as a comic book artist. In the nearly 30-odd years that I've been a fan of Hal Jordan, I cannot recall a regular artist who has drawn him more poorly.

GREEN LANTERN should be the flagship of the GL books, yet it has the weakest art of all four. I can't tell you how depressed I get seeing my favourite character being depicted as a scribble of a non-descript, belly-shirt wearing, scrawny douche-nozzle.

The GL universe has been on the decline since the Sinestro Corps War. Sure, some of the stories in the last few years have sucked but at least we had good art thanks to Reis and Mahnke. I'll hang in there as I'm a devoted Hal fan, but if I have to stare at Tan's art for much longer my eyeballs may have to form a close relationship with the end of a pencil.
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Old 02-17-2014, 06:08 AM   #2
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Douche-nozzle? You'd call it that good?
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Old 02-17-2014, 08:12 AM   #3
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Tan's are has grown on me a little but I agree. Out of all the current Green Lantern titles, the main GL book definitely has the worst art. With Venditti's mediocre storytelling, we at least deserve better artwork! If I could pick a replacement, I would want Bruno Redondo. He's the guy that is currently on art duties for the Injustice: Year Two comic with Jheremy Raapack. I think Raapack is technically the main artist on that book so Redondo should just come over to GL. I really like his art, especially the way he draws Hal.

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Just get rid of the weird, angular-looking faces in GL since Brightest Day/War of the GLs. Like Hal Jordan in CeltiC5-27's signature picture above.
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Old 02-17-2014, 11:50 AM   #5
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Billy Tan's artwork is horrible. In GL#28, in side-by-side panels drawing Hal facing the side, then facing front....it looks like two different people!! One panel has him looking all skinny, the next normal, it's very frustrating! ...and here I thought Phillip Tan was the worst Tan in comics...
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Tan is definitely inconsistent and often disappointed (as other threads here have pointed out), but I'm still glad I don't have to deal with Mahnke's man-women, blank faces, and Bruce Campbell chins.

I'd love to have Reis back.

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...If I could pick a replacement, I would want Bruno Redondo. He's the guy that is currently on art duties for the Injustice: Year Two comic with Jheremy Raapack. . .
That would be cool.
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And why the Hell does Hal's mask go half way up his forehead? Has Tan even seen a Domino mask? Idiot.
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The way he draws Hal's mask just irritates the crap out of me. EVERY panel it looks like that. Why hasn't anybody corrected him on it? It looks terrible. The mask goes WAY too high above his eyebrows.
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...he makes him look like that kid in school you just wanted to beat the crap out of.
There was no such kid. I never wanted to be the bully, however much it might seem justified.
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Tan's art isn't the best, but I'll take it over that Mahnke crap any day.
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Ugh Mahnke's art makes me want to
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I'm torn on Mahnke. His Sinestro is one of the best renditions of the character I've ever seen, but his Hal makes me want to puke up bile. He's hit or miss for sure, I think his non-humanoid characters are well done too.

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I'm torn on Mahnke. His Sinestro is one of the best renditions of the character I've ever seen, but his Hal makes me want to puke up bile. He's hit or miss for sure, I think his non-humanoid characters are well done too.
Actually, though I often bad mouth Mahnke around here, I think he's good at aliens and detailed machinery. I just dislike his humans immensely and since that's a big part of anything he draws the bad much outweighs the good to me.
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Completely disagree on Mahnke. His composition, layouts and tight detail far surpass most of what passes for comic book art these days. Granted, he's one of the more stylised artists but his drawings have gritty, heavy, deliberate lines and he draws a HEROIC looking Hal. I have one of his Hal pics as my desktop image and never get tired of it.

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Can we return to this please?

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Mahnke's humans don't look human, at all. Which is why I think it works with Sinestro, he can look a bit "off" and look fine. I just never got any kind of human connection when looking at Mahnke's homosapien characters.
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Maybe part of the problem is in the inking process. That has certainly changed since bristol board was discarded in favor of digital imagery. Gil Kane's pencils were pretty consistent, but the final look was real different when Sid Greene took over inking in the mid 60s (and the pencils changed wildly as Kane aged, too). Of recent artists, if we can't have Ethan V or Doug M or Ivan R, I'll make it a second for Redondo.
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I'll make it a second for Redondo.
Those few panels shown earlier in the thread are enough to convince me that he could draw Billy Tan a new one. Bring him on.
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If this isn't the worst depiction of Hal in the history of the World, then I don't know what is.

Mask sits too high.
Weak jawline.
Scrawny physique.
Wet looking hair (apparently, Hal just went for a dip)
Off-model uniform.
Utterly non-descript facial emotion. (jesus, that squirrel is emoting more than Hal) (even the tree branch has greater emotional depth)

Tan = Hack.

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Yeesh. I have a con sketch of Hal done on the fly by Moritat that looks ten times better than this. Didn't even get the cleft in the chin right. Or the wavy hair. Hate the neckline.
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And here's one of many, many examples of why I can't stand Mahnke. This is from GL 1:



See how Carol's face is a complete blank? No cheek bones as opposed to his men (which all look alike) that have jagged cheek and/or chin bones. In the top panel her exaggerated almond eye on the right would have to be on her temple. Of course, Hal looks like Mahnke draws him and all guys: mean, with a Bruce Campbell chin. Whenever he does JL you can't tell his Bruce from his Clark from his Hal if not for the costumes or hair color.

And to prove that it's not a fluke:





But truthfully, my hatred of his style dates back to his JLA/Elite days (which even his fans admit were worse) when not only did all the men look alike but all the women looked like the men too.



If that's "stylized," it's a style I can't stand. I really wish I could skip everything he draws, but he draws books I feel I "have" to follow.
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Just no emotion or anything resembling a human person in any of those panels. And actually, after looking at those posted panels "lifeless" is another adjective I'd use to describe his style.
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...And actually, after looking at those posted panels "lifeless" is another adjective I'd use to describe his style.
That's probably a good description. In the Justice League image you'd think they were pod people or robot replacements.
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We need Darryl Banks.
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Saddly the stroy telling on Green Lanten is so bad I never eevn notice the art.
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