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Old 03-17-2012, 03:34 PM   #1
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Default Does Cowgirl even exist in the New 52 universe?

Hal didn't even break up with her, he went straight back to bed with his ex. Technically, that's cheating on her... Unless she doesn't exist in the Post-Flashpoint universe. Does anyone know if Geoff has said anything online or at a convention?
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:48 PM   #2
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He has. She does. Johns stated that she kicked him to the curb upon his return to Earth, but fans might see her in an upcoming issue.
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West knows too much stuff.
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Old 03-18-2012, 05:48 PM   #4
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All the podcasters do. I think they went the Johnny Mnemonic route and have partially computerized brains.

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so Cowgirl exists but WALLY WEST Doesn't????
that sucks!
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Old 03-19-2012, 04:04 AM   #7
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well being that we haven't seen her in 3 years (it has been 3 years right ) i'd say no
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I think her greatly lessened role had to do with the movie in which Carol is the main lady in Hal's life, the over abundance of Hal in space fighting the light bright brigade stories and lastly the New 52 simplistic storytelling.
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That may well be, but a scene like Cowgirl dumping Hal after his return to Earth should have been in the comic book.
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:56 PM   #10
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But a scene like that would have actually meant some serious storytelling; I thought Johns was allergic to character development and emotional depth. Isnít he the Michael Bay of DC?

Ironic that he focus so much on his Skittle Corps, sorry, Emotional Spectrum, and not on the emotions of the characters he is writing.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:12 PM   #11
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That may well be, but a scene like Cowgirl dumping Hal after his return to Earth should have been in the comic book.
Character development with new Hal from Geoff Johns? Ha! That's a new one.
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There's a simpler solution to these questions.....assume they don't exist until you see them on a page...and even the its questionable
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It's not like any real effort was put into her anyway. If they aren't going to use her longterm, they might as well have her disappear off panel like she did. There was a time when some really interesting things could have been done with Cowgirl as Hal's Gwen Stacy, but the story has since gone in a completely different direction. There's no reason for her to exist in the book anymore.
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Maybe we'll get to see some Carol/Cowgirl action in the future, eh?

Johns can always "flashpoint" that out of continuity too, if it doesn't work out...

As for the question at hand, well... if Johns doens't care about his characters, why should you, mate?
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just put her on a panel or two so that the Cowgirl fans are happy!!
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There's no reason for her to exist in the book anymore.
I can think of one reason: Closure.
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Closure for what? She was forever ago. They brought Kari Limbo back for closure once and fans said, "huh?"

As soon as they revisit her, they have to adress the whole life Johns set up for Hal before quickly abandoning. Shane, Stone, the Air Force and his job at Edwards, all of it just abandoned. You expect Johns to somehow follow up on his OWN plotlines now? That's blood from a stone man!
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nah, just West. He's the one who finds all the news and tweets it. But he does that for fun...
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Closure for what? She was forever ago. They brought Kari Limbo back for closure once and fans said, "huh?"

As soon as they revisit her, they have to adress the whole life Johns set up for Hal before quickly abandoning. Shane, Stone, the Air Force and his job at Edwards, all of it just abandoned. You expect Johns to somehow follow up on his OWN plotlines now? That's blood from a stone man!
I agree with you, I think Johns is unable to follow his own plotlines. He's all about building stuff to the next event. Of course his next event is related to the Skittle Corps...

Anyone remember when was the last time we read something not related to any of this?
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Tomasi has done quite a few issues that aren't "rainbow" related. By Johns? Sometime pre-SCW.
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Tomasi has done quite a few issues that aren't "rainbow" related. By Johns? Sometime pre-SCW.
I guess now we can all look back to those years fondly. Compared to some of the dull "stories" we've been reading lately we can almost call those "Wonder Years"...

Maybe after "Multiversity" we'll get a change in creative team and enjoy a good story without the Rainbow Corps, and the return of and not the shell that John's giving us!
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Hee Hee... If it's about closure, there's quite a long list of shit Johns has NEVER given closure to that's far more important than cowgirl...
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Hee Hee... If it's about closure, there's quite a long list of shit Johns has NEVER given closure to that's far more important than cowgirl...
PFFT!

Now even that LIST no longer exists. Fucking magic!
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