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W.West 07-29-2010 02:57 AM

Wonder Woman by JMS
 
Wonder Woman #601 PREVIEW
Writer: JMS
Artist: Don Kramer
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/im...7043223320.jpg
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/im...7043228632.jpg

First issue released out today.

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I didn't hate this. There wasn't much to the story that we didn't already read in an interview. I thought Don was really good with some scenes but sketchy on others. I was surprised at just how bad his classic Wonder Woman looked. The coloring by Alex Sinclair was a bit inconsistent as well, but the story didn't bore me and I'll be back for the next issue. The costume is still stupid, but I didn't find myself cursing at it every page. I also noticed that even with this ridiculous costume, Don Kramer still had a bunch of ass and breast shots. lol

Bruce Castle 07-29-2010 03:41 AM

No thread for this already? Oh, well.

To paraphrase Alan Moore: "I'll be spitting venom all over this."

Marvelous Iggy 07-29-2010 03:51 AM

I agree with West, nothing fantastic, but I want to know mor

JohnnyV 07-29-2010 03:55 AM

I enjoyed the issue. I think if anything, JMS is showing us this new alternate world isn't status quo. And while I definitely don't like the outfit, I think it's going to be a lot less permanent than people are making it out to be.

Shingo Wol 07-29-2010 10:29 PM

I'm not impressed with it.

Darth_Primus 07-29-2010 11:43 PM

I picked up the issue yesterday, but I haven't had time to sit down and read it yet because of ComicCon hangover and catching up with my projects at work.

W.West 07-29-2010 11:46 PM

Its amazing how much this discussion between 5 people summed up my feelings on this issue. lol

Shingo Wol 07-29-2010 11:46 PM

I must admit, it is a good discussion.

Darth_Primus 07-30-2010 09:45 PM

I read the issue and I liked it. It's a recon (sp) without really be a recon(sp). I like the scene where Themyscira is attacked and the Amazons lead by Queen Hippolyta fight back to the bitter end.

I'm not liking the new costume, but I am liking the new attitude of Diana, a hint of anger and a dash of vengeance; good ingridents for a more gritty Wonder Woman.

W.West 08-04-2010 04:59 PM

Wonder Woman #602 Cover by Don Kramer

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2...w_cv602_r1.jpg


Wonder Woman #602 VARIANT Cover by Alex Garner

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2..._cv602_var.jpg

Darth_Primus 08-04-2010 07:13 PM

I don't the face work on either covers, as they don't flatter Wonder Woman. Both make her look kind of butch. However, I like the story thus far and I'm planning on pick up the next issue.

Mewzard 08-04-2010 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth_Primus (Post 437775)
I don't the face work on either covers, as they don't flatter Wonder Woman. Both make her look kind of butch. However, I like the story thus far and I'm planning on pick up the next issue.

She's an Amazon from an island of all women...she should be at least a bit butch <_<

Darth_Primus 08-04-2010 11:26 PM

But that goes against the comic book marketing ploy.

Batjeepster 08-04-2010 11:42 PM

I'd rather be fishing, In the long run we all will still be laughing at the costume and still foreseeing another Zero Hour event!!

Marvelous Iggy 08-04-2010 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batjeepster (Post 438129)
I'd rather be fishing, In the long run we all will still be laughing at the costume and still foreseeing another Zero Hour event!!

The costume is not permanent. The whole point of this "change" is to get readers interested in Wonder Woman

W.West 08-25-2010 08:40 PM

Wonder Woman #602 PREVIEW
Writer: JMS
Artist: Don Kramer
http://i.newsarama.com/images/ww_cv602_ds.jpg

JohnnyV 08-25-2010 11:24 PM

If you read Wonder Woman #600, I think there are subtle hints that those who are behind Wonder Woman's past changing are 'god related'. Which is why I also believe this is nothing permanent.

We'll see though. I thought WW #602 was an entertaining issue, and showed a sense of desperation among the Amazons. I like the character of Diana, and showing a more exposed, youthful personality. And brash.

W.West 08-26-2010 01:43 AM

I enjoyed it as well, but I don't see anything "youthful" about her personality. Its the same Wonder Woman we've had since the 80s.

I thought the art was a bit rough in certain areas, and I find it ridiculous that they changed her costume and yet Don Kramer draws her with the biggest breasts she's ever had. There's a lot of talking in this issue that bored me, but I would put it under a "necessary evil" category. Some writers can make the informational parts of a story work, and some can't. In this issue, JMS failed to do that, and I became bored.

Still, I like that she isn't alone, and I like that little story of Aphrodite and the temple. It was a weak explanation but still interesting. Unfortunately, a complaint from the first issue rolls over into this one...what makes me care about this villain? Apparently he has set out to kill the Amazons...why? If it weren't for prior reading, I wouldn't have an emotional attachment with the now dead Amazons. I need some villain development and quickly...This isn't a mystery thats making me ask "Who is it?! I can't wait to find out." but rather a "Why mass kill the Amazons in this random world?"

Hopefully the Amazons will continue to travel, so JMS can flesh out this silly little timeline of his and hopefully some more of them will die, making it more interesting when its 3 Amazons against 1 bad guy...and another dies, and the other one really hurt and WW saves the day. Damn, I ruined the story for myself...:(

Marvelous Iggy 08-26-2010 01:47 AM

Nothing amazing, this issue was okay. I'm willing to bet the the people behind messing with Diana's personality is either Zeus or Ares

JohnnyV 08-26-2010 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.West (Post 451556)
I enjoyed it as well, but I don't see anything "youthful" about her personality. Its the same Wonder Woman we've had since the 80s.

By 'youthful' I mean she's not nearly as wise as we've seen Diana in the past. She knows very little about herself, and seems to be in development mode in terms of trying to figure out what is going on.

Plus, the main point of the story is her saving these Amazonians and her coming into her own as Wonder Woman.

I do agree, we need to find out the villain. Like I stated, I believe it will be highly wrapped in mythology. If there's one thing I've noticed about the times I've read JMS's take on WW, he is really into the mythological side of her.

Mycroft 08-26-2010 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irongreen2814 (Post 438141)
The costume is not permanent. The whole point of this "change" is to get readers interested in Wonder Woman

Next time just try Naked... because this new suit isn't working.

And for the covers.. they sucks. Nobody can top master Adam Hughes!

W.West 08-26-2010 03:57 AM

Also....what the fuck is up with her bracelets? Is that fucking blood? What's wrong with her forearms??????

Marvelous Iggy 08-27-2010 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.West (Post 451643)
Also....what the fuck is up with her bracelets? Is that fucking blood? What's wrong with her forearms??????

I'm pretty sure it's just red armor. Calm down lol

Andrew NDB 08-27-2010 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.West (Post 451643)
Also....what the fuck is up with her bracelets? Is that fucking blood?

Yeah, I don't think she really has the bracelets yet. Just some kind of shitty arm-guards that are mostly for show.

And without those bracelets to protect her, yeah... she can get hurt and bleed. I don't think any of those bullets actually went in, but they broke the skin at least. That's why you always generally see Wonder Woman (traditional Wonder Woman) blocking bullets that are being fired at her with her bracelets rather than just standing there letting them bounce off her body -- because if she could just do that, why not just do that all the time?

Think, like, Aquaman in that recent Brightest Day where bullets bounce off him but he still gets bloody a little bit.

Shingo Wol 08-27-2010 07:49 PM

Sigh... I can't wait until this "Revamp" is over and done.

Marvelous Iggy 08-27-2010 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shingo Wol (Post 452477)
Sigh... I can't wait until this "Revamp" is over and done.

Are you reading the book?

Shingo Wol 08-27-2010 07:59 PM

I flipped through it in store.

Marvelous Iggy 08-27-2010 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shingo Wol (Post 452487)
I flipped through it in store.

So I'm gonna take this as a no. Shingo we all know that you dislike this "revamp" but constantly complaining about it and wanting to revert back, aint gonna make it change back faster. So you can either do one of two things, one actually read the book and see if you enjoy the story, or two stop complaining about it since we already know your feelings on the matter

Shingo Wol 08-27-2010 08:08 PM

Allright, Allright, ill stop complaining.








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Marvelous Iggy 08-27-2010 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shingo Wol (Post 452492)
Allright, Allright, ill stop complaining.








BRML!!

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lol, now if you actually read the book and complained, I would have no problem.

Shingo Wol 08-27-2010 08:11 PM

I dislike the artwork as well.

Darth_Primus 08-27-2010 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyV (Post 451607)
Like I stated, I believe it will be highly wrapped in mythology. If there's one thing I've noticed about the times I've read JMS's take on WW, he is really into the mythological side of her.

That's what I like about this storyline, the mythological side of Wonder Woman. It gives depth to Diana's linage as much as Krypton gives Kal El. It also puts Diana in the role of savior as well as leader, and so we'll she her struggle with those responsibilities. I'm looking forward to see how this all unfolds.

Bruce Castle 08-28-2010 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mycroft (Post 451619)
Next time just try Naked... because this new suit isn't working.

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Michael Heide 09-05-2010 02:08 PM

Having read #600-602 by now...

I like...
  • ...the costume. I know I'm in the minority here, but I still think it's a step forward from the US-flag bathing suit.
  • ...the central theme of "Theodicy" being explored through a Wonder Woman comic
  • ...the urban part of this Elseworld we've seen so far.

I don't like...
  • ...the ginormous boobs Don Kramer draws Wonder Woman with. Judging from the interviews with Jim Lee and Joe Straczynski, part of the reason behind the new costume was to make her look less like a pin-up girl. Kramer's art kind of defies that purpose.
  • ...the fact that the new "Urban" Wonder Woman has been in an urban setting for a short story in #600 and a couple of pages of #601, while spending the rest of 601 and 602 (and a part of 603, it seems) fighting an army in a desert in Turkey.
  • ...the fact that I have no idea how Donna and Cassie fit into all of this. Or the JLA. Or the rest of the DCU. We need to see more of the ripples that this retcon created.

All in all, I like the storyline so far. But JMS definitely needs to make the new status quo cooler. By the time he restores the old continuity, people should be missing the new one. Otherwise... what's the point?

W.West 09-05-2010 04:45 PM

How can you like the urban part when all we've seen is her fight in an alley?

And the point is to show Diana in a new way while still adding to her huge background. You won't find out what this does to the DCU, at least not this year. That's not something he considered, and you should have probably realized that through all those interviews and statements. This isn't about the DCU. Just like with Superman. Its not about what's going on with other characters. This WW story is supposed to be a look at her in a different setting and still reading/watching all the best parts about Diana shine through. Its not going to be here forever and while we may want to find out what these 2 years in this alternate timeline does to the DCU timeline, its essentially irrelevant. Treat it as the year lost during One Year Later. Its a timeframe in Wonder Woman's career as a superhero that just doesn't get explained...Maybe someday JMS or some other writer will bother to do so, but its not going to help you enjoy a story worrying about something the writer flat out stated he wasn't going to do.

Andrew NDB 09-05-2010 06:49 PM

Quote:

...the ginormous boobs Don Kramer draws Wonder Woman with. Judging from the interviews with Jim Lee and Joe Straczynski, part of the reason behind the new costume was to make her look less like a pin-up girl. Kramer's art kind of defies that purpose.
I wouldn't say he draws them "ginormous"... WW really is supposed to have sizeable boobs. The gods going back in time to change Paradise Island's fate isn't going to make her go down in cup sizes.

W.West 09-06-2010 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB (Post 456988)
I wouldn't say he draws them "ginormous"... WW really is supposed to have sizeable boobs. The gods going back in time to change Paradise Island's fate isn't going to make her go down in cup sizes.

If they are really trying to make us believe she's 18ish then the breasts are a problem, but that seems to be limited to flashbacks with those robe people..

Andrew NDB 09-06-2010 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W.West (Post 457118)
If they are really trying to make us believe she's 18ish then the breasts are a problem

Why? A woman's breast development is completed by 17-18.

W.West 09-13-2010 04:11 PM

Wonder Woman #603 COVER by Don Kramer

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2010/09/ww_cv603.jpg

Wonder Woman #603 Variant(DC 75th Anniversary) Cover by JH Williams 3

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2...03_variant.jpg

Bruce Castle 09-14-2010 04:11 AM

That Williams cover looked better before the colors.


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