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[Sylent_Asassin Black Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Sylent_Asassin]

Well, we saw in the prequel trilogy that the Jedi weren't exactly the sharpest crayons in the box.

Very true but, who would have thought that "balance" would mean killing everyone except for Obi Wan and Yoda?

I'm more disappointed that NOBODY could sense a hint of darkness in Palpatine with him standing right in front of them, grinning deviously.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

I'm more disappointed that NOBODY could sense a hint of darkness in Palpatine with him standing right in front of them, grinning deviously.

Yeah really. All he needed was a mustache to twirl.
Jedi Council: "There is a hidden Sith master in our presence manipulating events on a massive scale and trying to overthrow us.
Also, we don't trust Chancelor Palpantine, who keeps making war, and we want you to spy on him.
These things can't possibly be related, we're just saying..."

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Yeah really. All he needed was a mustache to twirl.
Jedi Council: "There is a hidden Sith master in our presence manipulating events on a massive scale and trying to overthrow us.
Also, we don't trust Chancelor Palpantine, who keeps making war, and we want you to spy on him.
These things can't possibly be related, we're just saying..."

I've often wondered, had I not known going in that Palpatine was the Emperor, when I would have realized he was Sidious. It is so hard for me to judge. I imagine it MIGHT not have been obvious for much of the first movie, but would it have been as obvious as I feel it is at the end when he becomes Chancellor? Surely once he starts gaining more power anybody would start putting two and two together, right? I have such a hard time trying to put myself in the position of NOT knowing in advance, though.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Yeah. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but the Jedi council are supposed to be particularly wise even apart from their normal ability to read things through the force (which Yoda and Windu say is being clouded by the Sith).

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Yeah. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but the Jedi council are supposed to be particularly wise even apart from their normal ability to read things through the force (which Yoda and Windu say is being clouded by the Sith).

I definitely feel like the Jedi were being unusually obtuse by the end, sure. I'm just curious as to where the point is where I would have started feeling they were stupid, if I HADN'T had that 20/20 hindsight going for me? (Well, 20/20 hindsight AND being privy to all the scenes with Sidious, which the Jedi knew nothing of.)

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

Very true but, who would have thought that "balance" would mean killing everyone except for Obi Wan and Yoda?

The way I took Lucas' explanation (after he had done all 6 films) was Anakin brought balance to the force when he killed the Emperor. That was his destiny all along, and he finally brought balance by bringing about Palpatine's death, and his own. It was part of that bit about the series "always" having been about Vader's story, and not Luke's.

Of course, with the new trilogy, it will be about Luke's son, so the larger view will be that the series is about the Skywalker family.

[Mister Ed Horse of a Different Color Find all posts View Profile Close Mister Ed]

Y'know, come to think of it, I'm a bit baffled by what exactly the Jedi DID think the prophecy meant as of the beginning of Episode I. Because at that point, they didn't even know there were still any Sith around. They seemed shocked to learn of the existence of Darth Maul. If the Prophecy was supposed to be about eliminating the use of the Dark Side of the Force, why would they even care, when they seemed to think the Sith weren't around?

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

I think they never had a firm idea of what the prophecy really meant anyway. Not to mention when it was happening. It could have been hundreds of years in their own future for all they knew. And like you said, what balancing were they waiting for if they thought the Sith were extinct?

[The_Mad_Dragon Captain Pervert Find all posts View Profile Close The_Mad_Dragon]

Author Aaron Allston Has Passed Away

One of my favorite SWEU authors.

Oh, no.... he was my absolute favorite....

At least he got to finish one last X-Wing book with Wraith Squadron.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

Y'know, come to think of it, I'm a bit baffled by what exactly the Jedi DID think the prophecy meant as of the beginning of Episode I. Because at that point, they didn't even know there were still any Sith around. They seemed shocked to learn of the existence of Darth Maul. If the Prophecy was supposed to be about eliminating the use of the Dark Side of the Force, why would they even care, when they seemed to think the Sith weren't around?

Yeah, I thought that too. The only possible explanations I can give to that conundrum is (1) they knew there hadn't been a force-born Jedi yet; (2) perhaps they thought the Sith could still come back and the Chosen One was supposed to wipe out the Sith once and for all. The problem with #2 is that now we have a new trilogy coming up and I highly doubt they are going to go through all three without any Dark Side force users.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

The problem with #2 is that now we have a new trilogy coming up and I highly doubt they are going to go through all three without any Dark Side force users.

They can't! What's the point of having Jedi without any Sith to pose a threat to them?

That's like having Tom with no Jerry.

[Hypo Lil' Leaguer Find all posts View Profile Close Hypo]

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

They can't! What's the point of having Jedi without any Sith to pose a threat to them?

That's like having Tom with no Jerry.

And I agree. It's just that it diminishes the prophecy even more. Now Anakin will be no more a defeater of Sith than whoever took them down at the end of the Sith Age. Of course, the very existence of the sequels (as noted by others below) will also countermand Lucas' own claim that the movies are all about Anakin.

[Space Cop The Dandy Find all posts View Profile Close Space Cop]

This is only tangential to Star Wars, but take it or leave it...

Lost and Found: 'Star Wars' Pre-Show Short Film 'Black Angel'

Well, here's a hot-ticket panel we'll probably be seeing at "Star Wars" Celebration next year.

A long time ago, in our own galaxy, there were short films screened before features. One such short film, a 25-minute fantasy epic called "Black Angel," was shown before certain overseas prints of "Star Wars: Episode V — The Empire Strikes Back" (1980).

And then, inexplicably, it was gone, with no trace of a negative or bootleg VHS copy to be found. Lost to legend, obscurity, and the occasional reference at fan conventions.

Until now....

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

I was about to say I don't recall seeing that when my dad took me to see Empire in 1980, then I reread the part about it being for overseas showings. That's an interesting thing I never knew about the original run!