MAD RANT Vol. 1: Why I like Kyle with Natu

[missferris Senior Corps Member Find all posts View Profile Close missferris]

Whoa. Tl;dr.

I hate you, torchtoucher.

[Dr. Naysay Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Naysay]

Natu is a slut.

[missferris Senior Corps Member Find all posts View Profile Close missferris]

Natu is a slut.

winner

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I hav enothing against comic characters bagging other women...quite frankly I think some of them simply don't do it enough.

I agree with what was said as well and Natu is more interesting than Donna given that she's the daughter of a major Villain as opposed to the daughter/charge of an established major hero.

I would hope that the relationship not only lasts, but that at some point a confrontation with Sinestro becomes a major issue in the relationship...perhaps leading so some kind of begrudged understading between the two.

Something like:

Kyle: Y-you saved me. Why?

Sinestro: If you're looking to re-ignite some lost spark of nobility in my being, do not waste your time Kyle Rayner. While I may forever question her motives, I must respect the wishes of my daughter, and no matter how much the thought revulses me, Korrugarian Principles dictate that so long as the two of are together, your well being is added to my list of obligations; thus, so long as it is within my power to act, you will meet with as little harm as possible.

Kyle: uh? Is this your way of giving me your blessing?

Sinestro: (turning away) Accept my words for what they are Rayner...but rest assured that should my daughters shed but a singel tear because of you, you will wish I had ended your life today.

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Or something cheesy like that!

I agree with Mad.

Also, this convo I have to see. XD

[Revelo Corpse Trainee Find all posts View Profile Close Revelo]

I hav enothing against comic characters bagging other women...quite frankly I think some of them simply don't do it enough.

I agree with what was said as well and Natu is more interesting than Donna given that she's the daughter of a major Villain as opposed to the daughter/charge of an established major hero.

I would hope that the relationship not only lasts, but that at some point a confrontation with Sinestro becomes a major issue in the relationship...perhaps leading so some kind of begrudged understading between the two.

Something like:

Kyle: Y-you saved me. Why?

Sinestro: If you're looking to re-ignite some lost spark of nobility in my being, do not waste your time Kyle Rayner. While I may forever question her motives, I must respect the wishes of my daughter, and no matter how much the thought revulses me, Korrugarian Principles dictate that so long as the two of are together, your well being is added to my list of obligations; thus, so long as it is within my power to act, you will meet with as little harm as possible.

Kyle: uh? Is this your way of giving me your blessing?

Sinestro: (turning away) Accept my words for what they are Rayner...but rest assured that should my daughters shed but a singel tear because of you, you will wish I had ended your life today.

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Or something cheesy like that!

I wonder if Geoff Johns still reads this board. Because that is a sequence I'd love to see in Brightest Day!

[missferris Senior Corps Member Find all posts View Profile Close missferris]

It saddens me deeply, from the bottom of my soul, way way down there fathoms below, that people actually think a sitcom-esque cliche wacky goofy encounter between Kyle and Sinestro would be grade A humor. I feel depressed now, I have to go take my medication.

[Dr. Naysay Guardian of the Universe Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Naysay]

It saddens me deeply, from the bottom of my soul, way way down there fathoms below, that people actually think a sitcom-esque cliche wacky goofy encounter between Kyle and Sinestro would be grade A humor. I feel depressed now, I have to go take my medication.

What if hilarity ensues?

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What if hilarity ensues?

Benny Hill chase scene!

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Benny Hill chase scene!

Cue the Boots Randolph "Yakkety Sax" music!!

[Levy Fatality's Blacksmith Find all posts View Profile Close Levy]

I honestly haven't ever seen Natu called a slut for getting together with Kyle, nor a lot of hate for the pairing itself.

Yes, she's probably a healthy relationship and it would last. Like, Jenny would have last with him if they weren't forcefully break up, because their personality mixed well.
As much as I adore Kyle and Donna together, their relationship was probably the most problematic of all; it do had a lot of issues and ended before some of it could be fully addressed, but I don't think it was needy at all. They were together because they liked each other, and that was all.

The main problem I have with the Kyle/Natu pairing comes from the way Tomasi writes it - and the way he writes Kyle, too. There's just so much trials to be overcome, generic lines and magical powers of love piled together that it really doesn't give me any feeling at all, and it's not like it's a tiny detail in the whole picture, Tomasi killed Kyle with the sole purpose to make him resurrected by the power of Natu's love. It's a story the writer purposedly built to give the pairing the spotlight, and while it might have been great for someone, the way it was executed failed to impress me.
That, together with the 'bitchy' writing Jade got when around Kyle and Natu, put me off of the pairing.

I think it's an equally legitimate position to that of finding them great together. Nothing against Natu herself, I haven't even read her that much outside of GLC anyway, and if something else beside his romance with Natu has happened to my fav lantern lately, I'd be glad to discuss it on this board, but it didn't.

[missferris Senior Corps Member Find all posts View Profile Close missferris]

I honestly haven't ever seen Natu called a slut for getting together with Kyle, nor a lot of hate for the pairing itself.

Yes, she's probably a healthy relationship and it would last. Like, Jenny would have last with him if they weren't forcefully break up, because their personality mixed well.
As much as I adore Kyle and Donna together, their relationship was probably the most problematic of all; it do had a lot of issues and ended before some of it could be fully addressed, but I don't think it was needy at all. They were together because they liked each other, and that was all.

The main problem I have with the Kyle/Natu pairing comes from the way Tomasi writes it - and the way he writes Kyle, too. There's just so much trials to be overcome, generic lines and magical powers of love piled together that it really doesn't give me any feeling at all, and it's not like it's a tiny detail in the whole picture, Tomasi killed Kyle with the sole purpose to make him resurrected by the power of Natu's love. It's a story the writer purposedly built to give the pairing the spotlight, and while it might have been great for someone, the way it was executed failed to impress me.
That, together with the 'bitchy' writing Jade got when around Kyle and Natu, put me off of the pairing.

I think it's an equally legitimate position to that of finding them great together. Nothing against Natu herself, I haven't even read her that much outside of GLC anyway, and if something else beside his romance with Natu has happened to my fav lantern lately, I'd be glad to discuss it on this board, but it didn't.

Levy! LOVE OF MY LIFE. Hi. This is where I come in and disagree with you (and we have a passionate fight that ends in us making love). As you said, Kyle and Donna were really together just ... because they liked each other, and not really for any storytelling devices. Ron Marz has actually admitted just as much, since it was his favorite relationship to write, but he admitted that Jade worked better for a storytelling device.

To me, it was less that Kyle and Donna had the most issues and more that they had the most issues addressed, not brushed off, and realistically developed and dealt with. Not only was Kyle grieving, but he still hadn't gotten past the responsibility issues that Alex was addressing with him and having with him. He was growing up, and also still learning the value of communication. Donna was going through a divorce and an ugly custody battle and had trust issues (the two guys she had been with before were total flirts, and Kyle was setting off alarms with her). Since Kyle's book was more action at that time and less drama (the beginning of it, when he was coming into his own), mos tof their dates were interrupted by his building rogues gallery, most of their "moments" were interrupted, et cetera. They had one blowup, which was the cause of building tension, took a break, and then had a very serious and good talk and vastly improved their communication. Kyle worked hard on his responsibility issues (making it a point to keep promises and whatnot), Donna worked hard on trusting him. She helped him reconcile with his mother, he helped her out with Robert. Then they broke up.

They were together for much different reasons than Kyle was with Jade or later with Natu. Now, I do like him with Jade as much as I do with Donnakins, but he was simply with Jade because she is Alan Scott's daughter, but Marz tried to make it feel more real, like he did with Donna and Kyle. Up until he left, which was right after the day of judgment tie in and that entire Kyle gets shot fiasco, Kyle and Jade had plenty of problems. They bickered, she was jealous, he was being dishonest over being over Donna, she felt inadequate, they were totally real! Winnick came in and later Raab, and it became about the franchise and her connections with Alan Scott, thrown in with lots and lots of space drama and pregnancy scare I want to marry you I am a God and have God powers whatever whatever. Then they were forced to break up in a stupid way.

Kyle and Natu are together first and foremost because she is Sinestro's daughter. She is a fellow Green Lantern and an established one with a unique role at that (BEST DOCTOR IN THE UNIVERSE!!!11), so they are together less because "they like each other" and more for true love destiny blahblah Sinestro's daughter reasons.

It depends on the writer. Marz addressed the most realistic issues not only in Kyle and Donna, Alex and Kyle (for the five issues she was there), but also Jade and Kyle during his run. But Jade and Kyle had less organic and internal drama after he left and more soap opera stuff thrown in for external issues. Natu and Kyle have absolutely NO issues addressed. He lied to her, right? Look back months before on these boards when people found out he revealed the lie in the crystal. Everyone anticipated Natu's reaciton. What did it end up being? Nothing. She had absolutely no reaction to him lying about seeing her in the crystal, and not only that, he saw his ex girlfriend who is now alive (that was dealt with in... what? Two pages?). Their personality differences aren't a problem because they are written with no personality differences (under Tomasi's pen). A bunch of other issues they would have that I'm too lazy to get into aren't addressed, and why? They aren't written together just because they like each other, they are written together because she is Sinestro's daughter. I think someone like Bedard might do them better justice, but it's less about Kyle having more problems with Donna inherently and more about, well, good and detailed romantic writing versus Hollywood romantic writing.

That, and everything you mentioned in your post, is why I can't feel anything for this pair. But I've talked to Bedard quite a bit and think he might get me to at least tolerate them more which is great.

Oh, and you forgot that Kyle was also killed to make Guy a Red Lantern. Boy was that an embarrassingly bad gimmick. But yeah, the way Jade/Kyle was just used to shove Natu/Kyle into the spotlight was like... ridiculously bad and ...

I'm not even going to pretend, guys. Natu/Kyle smells. ENJOY YOUR LOVE CRYSTALS AND REPEATED "I BELIEVE IN YOU, PAINT MORE" SCENES. Maybe Bedard can put some deodorant on it. Jenny, come over here girl ... I'll be there for you.

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It's a good thing I don't read GLC for Kyle's relationship.

The love crystal thing is lame. The relationship didn't seem to evolve organiclly. Although, maybe re-reading the books would yeild something. But GLC is full of these sort of sudden plot twists. As for the relationship right now, I like how they work together. Admittingly, I liked Kyle / Donna the best, but this book isn't about Kyle Rayner. It's about the GLC, of which Kyle is a part.

I will say that the healing of Kyle in BN was probably so Jhons could establish that scene with Mera in BN and not really a part of Kyle/Natu shipping. That's what I thought when reading BN8, that Johns asked for that to be inserted into the story, somehow.

[missferris Senior Corps Member Find all posts View Profile Close missferris]

It's a good thing I don't read GLC for Kyle's relationship.

The love crystal thing is lame. The relationship didn't seem to evolve organiclly. Although, maybe re-reading the books would yeild something. But GLC is full of these sort of sudden plot twists. As for the relationship right now, I like how they work together. Admittingly, I liked Kyle / Donna the best, but this book isn't about Kyle Rayner. It's about the GLC, of which Kyle is a part.

I will say that the healing of Kyle in BN was probably so Jhons could establish that scene with Mera in BN and not really a part of Kyle/Natu shipping. That's what I thought when reading BN8, that Johns asked for that to be inserted into the story, somehow.

I never read the director's cut of Blackest Night, so you're probably right! Also, I love you ... I just wanted to say that. What are you doing Friday night? I want to take you out and make you feel special.

[Levy Fatality's Blacksmith Find all posts View Profile Close Levy]

@missferris - honey, I think I've missed the part in wich we disagree, because I fully understand everything you had pointed out and ready to subscribe it.
What I meant about Kyle and Donna as being the most problematic relationship of the three (Alex is quite hard to tell, since she was around not so much and they weren't fully blown as a couple back then, but they were cute nonetheless) is that both got a lot of baggage - the kind you pointed out in your post - and that they would have need a lot more time to work everything out. But they were trying to be the right one for each other despite this, and failing at it sometimes (the first breakup is probably my favourite piece of canon for them for the way it is written and how relatable and human it is...) and improving and getting better and better before tragedy hit.
With Jenny they had some things to work out (more concerning their relationship than external factors and that's another difference between their story and that of Kyle and Donna together) and that's exactly what gave the relationship meaning, despite the fact she was essentially there for the franchise's benefit.

@Gauntlet101010 - I thought that too when I saw the scene between Mera and Arthur and the way Carol saved them, but once again, the way Tomasi did it left plenty of room for a much more 'youuuuuu are my destinyyyyyy!!' reading of the ....magical surgery...? Miri did. So it was more misleading than anything. @.@

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@missferris - honey, I think I've missed the part in wich we disagree, because I fully understand everything you had pointed out and ready to subscribe it.
What I meant about Kyle and Donna as being the most problematic relationship of the three (Alex is quite hard to tell, since she was around not so much and they weren't fully blown as a couple back then, but they were cute nonetheless) is that both got a lot of baggage - the kind you pointed out in your post - and that they would have need a lot more time to work everything out. But they were trying to be the right one for each other despite this, and failing at it sometimes (the first breakup is probably my favourite piece of canon for them for the way it is written and how relatable and human it is...) and improving and getting better and better before tragedy hit.
With Jenny they had some things to work out (more concerning their relationship than external factors and that's another difference between their story and that of Kyle and Donna together) and that's exactly what gave the relationship meaning, despite the fact she was essentially there for the franchise's benefit.

@Gauntlet101010 - I thought that too when I saw the scene between Mera and Arthur and the way Carol saved them, but once again, the way Tomasi did it left plenty of room for a much more 'youuuuuu are my destinyyyyyy!!' reading of the ....magical surgery...? Miri did. So it was more misleading than anything. @.@

Oh okay. We agree ... well, we can make out anyway, just in agreement. Because I am just nodding at everything you said. Good relationship writing, good relationship writing! It feels awesome. And I miss it. Kyle's two other relationships with Jenny and Donna smelled so much better than his with Natu...

Also re: the magical heart surgery stuff. I think the language was just dramatic but are their hearts really linked right now? If so that kind of shows that Johns doesn't care much for Kyle and his subplots and mostly just wanted a reason to shove Arthur and Mera ahead, so he just used Kyle and Natu as an original proxy.