Does John owe all his fame to the JLU cartoon

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It's got to be the JL cartoon.

[Kane2814 Weaponer of Qward Find all posts View Profile Close Kane2814]

Always think it's funny when people think it's weird that John Stewart has a fanbase. I've never seen anyone react that way toward the other Green Lanterns having fans. Or heck, any characters having fans, really.

Really? How long have you had the internet? It seems to me that almost every hero who has had several people bear the mantle has had to define why they like *their* favorite. (the whole Hal vs. Kyle thing being the most hotly debated in its time)

I liked John from the comics back during "Crisis" and later when he got the job full-time. He and Kat were an awesome couple and I liked how his more care-free attitude contrasted with Hal.

I wasn't a big fan of how they changed him for the JL cartoon, though I did like the character they created - the ex-military, straight-laced guy. it worked for the character dynamics they wanted for the show, but it didn't seem like John to me. (neither did the arrogant John we saw in "Cosmic Odyssey" either - didn't Starlin originally want Hal for that until editorial said no?)

Now of course the comics version is more like the cartoon version, which is ultimately ok with me - that's how it goes. (I mean, just look at how Kilowog was originally depicted versus what he is now)

[Rotten2thecorps Alpha-Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Rotten2thecorps]

Yeah John owes everything to the cartoon. Wich I find odd that people remember it so much because it was one Cartoon. Hal's mass media apearances far out weighs his. Filmation,Hanna Barbaera,GLTAS,Animated DCU,and the GL movie.

I liked John in the Cartoon,the comics not so much. I remember his early days and he was kinda abnoxious. JL & JLU were the first time I really enjoyed him as a character.

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Yeah John owes everything to the cartoon. Wich I find odd that people remember it so much because it was one Cartoon. Hal's mass media apearances far out weighs his. Filmation,Hanna Barbaera,GLTAS,Animated DCU,and the GL movie.

I liked John in the Cartoon,the comics not so much. I remember his early days and he was kinda abnoxious. JL & JLU were the first time I really enjoyed him as a character.

When you grow up seeing nonsense like this:

http://youtu.be/iMzSr8Q4ugc

and this

http://www.seanbaby.com/superfriends/greenl.htm

and then you see this

http://youtu.be/hScMFn7V6i4

it really leaves an impression.

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PS alot of the reason John was even the Green Lantern in the JL series was because at the time Hal was evil, so the most well known GL could not be used, also he was a minority and the rest of the cast were all white. Now how does it make sense to not put your flagship GL in that spot? Kyle could have alot more popularity than he does today if he was given the position also it probably didnt help his sales and added to mainstream confusion over who was the Green Lantern.

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When you grow up seeing nonsense like this:

http://youtu.be/iMzSr8Q4ugc

and this

http://www.seanbaby.com/superfriends/greenl.htm

and then you see this

http://youtu.be/hScMFn7V6i4

it really leaves an impression.

Yeah. But what one needs to take from that is Cartoons were cheesy in back in the day. Filmation Batman and Superman,were just as cheesy in those cartoons as was they were in the Superfriends ones. The Ruby Spears Superman was pretty bad too. It's not fair to Compare JLU to Superfriends. A more acurate comparison would be GLTAS to John in the JL cartoon.

[G'nortDoggie88 Major Force's Dinner Date Find all posts View Profile Close G'nortDoggie88]

PS alot of the reason John was even the Green Lantern in the JL series was because at the time Hal was evil, so the most well known GL could not be used, also he was a minority and the rest of the cast were all white. Now how does it make sense to not put your flagship GL in that spot? Kyle could have alot more popularity than he does today if he was given the position also it probably didnt help his sales and added to mainstream confusion over who was the Green Lantern.

Can't use Kyle because his original origin requires there to be no GLC. Hal wasn't a villain when JL started; he was dead and The Spectre. It makes sense because Bruce Timm, Paul Dini, and Dwayne Mcduffie were fans of John Stewart and wanted to use their favorite GL. Having a JL that wasn't lily white and male was another plus. Seeing the tears of stans online also made that show even more entertaining to watch. Just to see a show that didn't cater to them apparently made them mad and furious for years to come.

Bruce Timm: He’s the most controversial character so far from what we’ve been gathering on the Internet. When the show’s lineup was first announced, there were a lot of people saying, “Why aren’t they using Hal Jordan? No, it’s got to be Guy Gardner. No, it’s got to be Kyle Rayner.” Obviously, we picked the wrong one, but the reason we did choose John Stewart are various—I think they’re all valid. Right off the bat, I’ll just say it: you know we did need ethnic diversity in the Justice League. We felt that the show is going to be seen worldwide and I think having a member of the Justice League who is not just “Mr. White Bread” is a good thing.

Another reason why we chose him: literally, out of all the Green Lanterns we could have chosen, we all kind of liked the John Stewart character from the comics, especially the Denny O’Neil / Neal Adams version. When they first introduced him he was like the angry young black guy…you know, in 1969 and 1970. Even though that’s not really relevant today—like the whole Black Power movement and everything—we still wanted to keep that kind of edge and attitude with him.

And so, just in banging around ideas of what to do with him, going back to the original idea of the Green Lantern Corps—where they’re basically Lensmen [the pulp characters created by E.E. “Doc” Smith]—they’re space cops, they’re space marines. We’re like, “Okay, he’s a military guy.” And then somebody said, “Louis Gossett Jr.—An Officer and a Gentlemen.” I said, “Yeah,” and I went, “Wait a minute—Samuel L. Jackson,” and everyone went, “Yeah!” So that’s kind of who he is. He’s a real rugged, no-nonsense, barking orders kind of Green Lantern—and we love him to pieces. We love him so much [that] he’s like in almost every episode. I predict that you guys are going to love him too.

[Timm points out the poorly-lit image of Green Lantern’s design] Why isn’t he green? He is green. It’s hard to see in here, but he is green. Trust me, he’s green—he’s not Blue Lantern, we’re not pulling a switch on you—he’s so green. He’s been a Green Lantern for so long that the green radiation of the ring has actually infected his bloodstream—so that’s why his eyes are even green. They glow green. So believe me: he’s green.

Courtesy of Revolution Science Fiction and Comics2Film.

Bruce Timm on Green Lantern #1 (circa 2002): “I really love the John Stewart Green Lantern. People wonder why we didn’t go with Kyle Rayner or Guy Gardner, but when they see what we’ve done with him, I honestly think they’ll agree he’s the most interesting Green Lantern they’ve ever seen…I had Samuel L. Jackson in mind for this Green Lantern…[Phil LaMarr used] this gruff military voice and it was dead-on (courtesy of Starlog Magazine).”

http://jl.toonzone.net/lantern/lantern.htm -> A lot of interesting quotes here

[G'nortDoggie88 Major Force's Dinner Date Find all posts View Profile Close G'nortDoggie88]

Yeah. But what one needs to take from that is Cartoons were cheesy in back in the day. Filmation Batman and Superman,were just as cheesy in those cartoons as was they were in the Superfriends ones. The Ruby Spears Superman was pretty bad too. It's not fair to Compare JLU to Superfriends. A more acurate comparison would be GLTAS to John in the JL cartoon.

See, the problem with that was that was what I saw of Green Lantern in the 90s growing up. I though he sucked because he was like El Dorado and Samurai - a character created for the show. It wasn't until I found out about Emerald Twilight, saw John Stewart in JL, and learned about the GLC that I became a fan.

If you want to bring up GLTAS, I watched that for Razer and Aya not Jordan. Just wish the show wouldn't have been cancelled so that Guy could have stayed longer and led to the appearance of John Stewart. One thing I will say about that show is that they took something as crappy as the emotional spectrum and actually got good stories out of it. Really a testament to the talent of Bruce Timm and everyone on that team.

[Sylent_Asassin Black Lantern Find all posts View Profile Close Sylent_Asassin]

When you grow up seeing nonsense like this:

http://youtu.be/iMzSr8Q4ugc

and this

http://www.seanbaby.com/superfriends/greenl.htm

and then you see this

http://youtu.be/hScMFn7V6i4

it really leaves an impression.

I have to admit that I LOL'ed when Hal got sneak-attacked and KO'ed by that bird. Thing is, back then, all superhero cartoons were campy and cheesy like that. It was a sign of the times.

[Big Daddy Dave Skywalker Moisture Farmer Find all posts View Profile Close Big Daddy Dave Skywalker]

I have to admit that I LOL'ed when Hal got sneak-attacked and KO'ed by that bird. Thing is, back then, all superhero cartoons were campy and cheesy like that. It was a sign of the times.

Who would have thought...Hal ends up on youtube in a "you got knocked the fuck out" video!